@rooprect said:

Just finished reading the book for the 10th time (it's only about 100 pages) and had a hankering to see it in images. This version seems to be the classic one, and I'm a huge fan of the actor Mastroianni. But I've read some grumblings about the film's faithfulness to the original book.

Sartre said Camus was the most misunderstood writer, and I totally agree. In almost every discussion of this book, the antihero Mersault is portrayed as a cold, emotionless, amoral character. But if you really read the book, especially if you can read it in French, Mersault is almost a childlike character. The opening line is NOT the creepy "Mother died today." In the original French it opens with "Mama died today." One word sets the entire framework. Yes he's detached & unemotional, but not in a cold cynical way ("mother"), he 's like a little kid who doesn't know how to react to death ("mama").

Anyway back to this flick... Mastroianni, as much as I like him, seems too "cool" of an actor to play the role as a naive child. I mean Mastroianni is basically the Italian James Bond. Not my ideal pick to represent Mersault but that's just my gut feeling. Am I right, wrong, should I see the flick anyway? I'll probably see this eventually, but right now I'm just looking for a faithful adaptation.

I read this book a while ago and loved it. Its when I was on my absurdist kick. Fantastic read and it never even occurred to me to try to find it in film form. You got me curious about this film as well. Now to locate it.🤔

@movie_nazi said:

@rooprect said:

Just finished reading the book for the 10th time (it's only about 100 pages) and had a hankering to see it in images. This version seems to be the classic one, and I'm a huge fan of the actor Mastroianni. But I've read some grumblings about the film's faithfulness to the original book.

Sartre said Camus was the most misunderstood writer, and I totally agree. In almost every discussion of this book, the antihero Mersault is portrayed as a cold, emotionless, amoral character. But if you really read the book, especially if you can read it in French, Mersault is almost a childlike character. The opening line is NOT the creepy "Mother died today." In the original French it opens with "Mama died today." One word sets the entire framework. Yes he's detached & unemotional, but not in a cold cynical way ("mother"), he 's like a little kid who doesn't know how to react to death ("mama").

Anyway back to this flick... Mastroianni, as much as I like him, seems too "cool" of an actor to play the role as a naive child. I mean Mastroianni is basically the Italian James Bond. Not my ideal pick to represent Mersault but that's just my gut feeling. Am I right, wrong, should I see the flick anyway? I'll probably see this eventually, but right now I'm just looking for a faithful adaptation.

I read this book a while ago and loved it. Its when I was on my absurdist kick. Fantastic read and it never even occurred to me to try to find it in film form. You got me curious about this film as well. Now to locate it.🤔

I know right? It has an absurdist vibe a lot like Kafka’s The Trial which was made into an excellent movie by Orson Welles.

@movie_nazi said:

@rooprect said:

Just finished reading the book for the 10th time (it's only about 100 pages) and had a hankering to see it in images. This version seems to be the classic one, and I'm a huge fan of the actor Mastroianni. But I've read some grumblings about the film's faithfulness to the original book.

Sartre said Camus was the most misunderstood writer, and I totally agree. In almost every discussion of this book, the antihero Mersault is portrayed as a cold, emotionless, amoral character. But if you really read the book, especially if you can read it in French, Mersault is almost a childlike character. The opening line is NOT the creepy "Mother died today." In the original French it opens with "Mama died today." One word sets the entire framework. Yes he's detached & unemotional, but not in a cold cynical way ("mother"), he 's like a little kid who doesn't know how to react to death ("mama").

Anyway back to this flick... Mastroianni, as much as I like him, seems too "cool" of an actor to play the role as a naive child. I mean Mastroianni is basically the Italian James Bond. Not my ideal pick to represent Mersault but that's just my gut feeling. Am I right, wrong, should I see the flick anyway? I'll probably see this eventually, but right now I'm just looking for a faithful adaptation.

I read this book a while ago and loved it. Its when I was on my absurdist kick. Fantastic read and it never even occurred to me to try to find it in film form. You got me curious about this film as well. Now to locate it.🤔

Here it is on YT (although the print is a bit blurry?):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQN76Vv-nVw

@bratface said:

@movie_nazi said:

@rooprect said:

Just finished reading the book for the 10th time (it's only about 100 pages) and had a hankering to see it in images. This version seems to be the classic one, and I'm a huge fan of the actor Mastroianni. But I've read some grumblings about the film's faithfulness to the original book.

Sartre said Camus was the most misunderstood writer, and I totally agree. In almost every discussion of this book, the antihero Mersault is portrayed as a cold, emotionless, amoral character. But if you really read the book, especially if you can read it in French, Mersault is almost a childlike character. The opening line is NOT the creepy "Mother died today." In the original French it opens with "Mama died today." One word sets the entire framework. Yes he's detached & unemotional, but not in a cold cynical way ("mother"), he 's like a little kid who doesn't know how to react to death ("mama").

Anyway back to this flick... Mastroianni, as much as I like him, seems too "cool" of an actor to play the role as a naive child. I mean Mastroianni is basically the Italian James Bond. Not my ideal pick to represent Mersault but that's just my gut feeling. Am I right, wrong, should I see the flick anyway? I'll probably see this eventually, but right now I'm just looking for a faithful adaptation.

I read this book a while ago and loved it. Its when I was on my absurdist kick. Fantastic read and it never even occurred to me to try to find it in film form. You got me curious about this film as well. Now to locate it.🤔

Here it is on YT (although the print is a bit blurry?):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQN76Vv-nVw

Its super duper blurry but it will have to do since I can't even find where to buy it. Thanks for the link!

Very cool! Thanks for finding that. I watched the first 10 mins and so far I think it’s really close to the book and Mastroianni is perfect. He’s playing it sort of like a confused simpleton which is exactly how I pictured the character in the book. Also they got the line right, he does say “Mama died today”. 👍

I just saw on Amazon there’s a Spanish blu-ray that’s region free (Spanish/Italian language, English subs) but it’s $33 bucks 😬 Might be worth it if they cleaned up the video but there’s no info on that.

@movie_nazi said:

@bratface said:

@movie_nazi said:

@rooprect said:

Just finished reading the book for the 10th time (it's only about 100 pages) and had a hankering to see it in images. This version seems to be the classic one, and I'm a huge fan of the actor Mastroianni. But I've read some grumblings about the film's faithfulness to the original book.

Sartre said Camus was the most misunderstood writer, and I totally agree. In almost every discussion of this book, the antihero Mersault is portrayed as a cold, emotionless, amoral character. But if you really read the book, especially if you can read it in French, Mersault is almost a childlike character. The opening line is NOT the creepy "Mother died today." In the original French it opens with "Mama died today." One word sets the entire framework. Yes he's detached & unemotional, but not in a cold cynical way ("mother"), he 's like a little kid who doesn't know how to react to death ("mama").

Anyway back to this flick... Mastroianni, as much as I like him, seems too "cool" of an actor to play the role as a naive child. I mean Mastroianni is basically the Italian James Bond. Not my ideal pick to represent Mersault but that's just my gut feeling. Am I right, wrong, should I see the flick anyway? I'll probably see this eventually, but right now I'm just looking for a faithful adaptation.

I read this book a while ago and loved it. Its when I was on my absurdist kick. Fantastic read and it never even occurred to me to try to find it in film form. You got me curious about this film as well. Now to locate it.🤔

Here it is on YT (although the print is a bit blurry?):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQN76Vv-nVw

Its super duper blurry but it will have to do since I can't even find where to buy it. Thanks for the link!

You are welcome. I looked around & this was the only thing I found but I also didn't look for very long.

@movie_nazi said:

@bratface said:

@movie_nazi said:

@rooprect said:

Just finished reading the book for the 10th time (it's only about 100 pages) and had a hankering to see it in images. This version seems to be the classic one, and I'm a huge fan of the actor Mastroianni. But I've read some grumblings about the film's faithfulness to the original book.

Sartre said Camus was the most misunderstood writer, and I totally agree. In almost every discussion of this book, the antihero Mersault is portrayed as a cold, emotionless, amoral character. But if you really read the book, especially if you can read it in French, Mersault is almost a childlike character. The opening line is NOT the creepy "Mother died today." In the original French it opens with "Mama died today." One word sets the entire framework. Yes he's detached & unemotional, but not in a cold cynical way ("mother"), he 's like a little kid who doesn't know how to react to death ("mama").

Anyway back to this flick... Mastroianni, as much as I like him, seems too "cool" of an actor to play the role as a naive child. I mean Mastroianni is basically the Italian James Bond. Not my ideal pick to represent Mersault but that's just my gut feeling. Am I right, wrong, should I see the flick anyway? I'll probably see this eventually, but right now I'm just looking for a faithful adaptation.

I read this book a while ago and loved it. Its when I was on my absurdist kick. Fantastic read and it never even occurred to me to try to find it in film form. You got me curious about this film as well. Now to locate it.🤔

Here it is on YT (although the print is a bit blurry?):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQN76Vv-nVw

Its super duper blurry but it will have to do since I can't even find where to buy it. Thanks for the link!

The original version "Lo straniero (1967)" is in Italian-French. Other versions were dubbed - e.g. English, Spanish.

Here is the original in HD. You will have to turn on the subtitles/closed captions (c), if you don't speak Italian and French:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQsLtbbgpXk

@wonder2wonder said:

@movie_nazi said:

@bratface said:

@movie_nazi said:

@rooprect said:

Just finished reading the book for the 10th time (it's only about 100 pages) and had a hankering to see it in images. This version seems to be the classic one, and I'm a huge fan of the actor Mastroianni. But I've read some grumblings about the film's faithfulness to the original book.

Sartre said Camus was the most misunderstood writer, and I totally agree. In almost every discussion of this book, the antihero Mersault is portrayed as a cold, emotionless, amoral character. But if you really read the book, especially if you can read it in French, Mersault is almost a childlike character. The opening line is NOT the creepy "Mother died today." In the original French it opens with "Mama died today." One word sets the entire framework. Yes he's detached & unemotional, but not in a cold cynical way ("mother"), he 's like a little kid who doesn't know how to react to death ("mama").

Anyway back to this flick... Mastroianni, as much as I like him, seems too "cool" of an actor to play the role as a naive child. I mean Mastroianni is basically the Italian James Bond. Not my ideal pick to represent Mersault but that's just my gut feeling. Am I right, wrong, should I see the flick anyway? I'll probably see this eventually, but right now I'm just looking for a faithful adaptation.

I read this book a while ago and loved it. Its when I was on my absurdist kick. Fantastic read and it never even occurred to me to try to find it in film form. You got me curious about this film as well. Now to locate it.🤔

Here it is on YT (although the print is a bit blurry?):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQN76Vv-nVw

Its super duper blurry but it will have to do since I can't even find where to buy it. Thanks for the link!

The original version "Lo straniero (1967)" is in Italian-French. Other versions were dubbed - e.g. English, Spanish.

Here is the original in HD. You will have to turn on the subtitles/closed captions (c), if you don't speak Italian and French:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQsLtbbgpXk

It's still blurry, although the color is a little better.

@bratface said:

@wonder2wonder said:

@movie_nazi said:

@bratface said:

@movie_nazi said:

@rooprect said:

Just finished reading the book for the 10th time (it's only about 100 pages) and had a hankering to see it in images. This version seems to be the classic one, and I'm a huge fan of the actor Mastroianni. But I've read some grumblings about the film's faithfulness to the original book.

Sartre said Camus was the most misunderstood writer, and I totally agree. In almost every discussion of this book, the antihero Mersault is portrayed as a cold, emotionless, amoral character. But if you really read the book, especially if you can read it in French, Mersault is almost a childlike character. The opening line is NOT the creepy "Mother died today." In the original French it opens with "Mama died today." One word sets the entire framework. Yes he's detached & unemotional, but not in a cold cynical way ("mother"), he 's like a little kid who doesn't know how to react to death ("mama").

Anyway back to this flick... Mastroianni, as much as I like him, seems too "cool" of an actor to play the role as a naive child. I mean Mastroianni is basically the Italian James Bond. Not my ideal pick to represent Mersault but that's just my gut feeling. Am I right, wrong, should I see the flick anyway? I'll probably see this eventually, but right now I'm just looking for a faithful adaptation.

I read this book a while ago and loved it. Its when I was on my absurdist kick. Fantastic read and it never even occurred to me to try to find it in film form. You got me curious about this film as well. Now to locate it.🤔

Here it is on YT (although the print is a bit blurry?):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQN76Vv-nVw

Its super duper blurry but it will have to do since I can't even find where to buy it. Thanks for the link!

The original version "Lo straniero (1967)" is in Italian-French. Other versions were dubbed - e.g. English, Spanish.

Here is the original in HD. You will have to turn on the subtitles/closed captions (c), if you don't speak Italian and French:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQsLtbbgpXk

It's still blurry, although the color is a little better.

Yes, 4K is even better, but remastering an old movie is expensive and this is not one that the production company would want to spend money on.

Still, I think that when comparing the resolution in for example this random scene in HD with the same scene in the old version you can see an improvement.

@wonder2wonder said:

@bratface said:

@wonder2wonder said:

@movie_nazi said:

@bratface said:

@movie_nazi said:

@rooprect said:

Just finished reading the book for the 10th time (it's only about 100 pages) and had a hankering to see it in images. This version seems to be the classic one, and I'm a huge fan of the actor Mastroianni. But I've read some grumblings about the film's faithfulness to the original book.

Sartre said Camus was the most misunderstood writer, and I totally agree. In almost every discussion of this book, the antihero Mersault is portrayed as a cold, emotionless, amoral character. But if you really read the book, especially if you can read it in French, Mersault is almost a childlike character. The opening line is NOT the creepy "Mother died today." In the original French it opens with "Mama died today." One word sets the entire framework. Yes he's detached & unemotional, but not in a cold cynical way ("mother"), he 's like a little kid who doesn't know how to react to death ("mama").

Anyway back to this flick... Mastroianni, as much as I like him, seems too "cool" of an actor to play the role as a naive child. I mean Mastroianni is basically the Italian James Bond. Not my ideal pick to represent Mersault but that's just my gut feeling. Am I right, wrong, should I see the flick anyway? I'll probably see this eventually, but right now I'm just looking for a faithful adaptation.

I read this book a while ago and loved it. Its when I was on my absurdist kick. Fantastic read and it never even occurred to me to try to find it in film form. You got me curious about this film as well. Now to locate it.🤔

Here it is on YT (although the print is a bit blurry?):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQN76Vv-nVw

Its super duper blurry but it will have to do since I can't even find where to buy it. Thanks for the link!

The original version "Lo straniero (1967)" is in Italian-French. Other versions were dubbed - e.g. English, Spanish.

Here is the original in HD. You will have to turn on the subtitles/closed captions (c), if you don't speak Italian and French:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQsLtbbgpXk

It's still blurry, although the color is a little better.

Yes, 4K is even better, but remastering an old movie is expensive and this is not one that the production company would want to spend money on.

Still, I think that when comparing the resolution in for example this random scene in HD with the same scene in the old version you can see an improvement.

Sweet! That must be the 2021 blu-ray release. Looks pretty darn good for a 1967 movie. The closeup scenes show a lot of detail like the sweat on his face @ 05:40

That's probably the best we'll see unless Criterion does a 4k remaster (which is quite possible considering they've done 5 other Visconti films).

Skipping around, I see it stays pretty true to the book so I don't know what the negative reviews were grumbling about. Sure it changes bits but that's part of adapting a book to film.

Oddly my fear of Mastroianni playing the role too cool is the opposite of what I see. He actually gives the character more humanity than I got from the book. I never pictured the book character smiling, whereas Mastroianni smiles a lot and shows emotion which makes his plight even more sympathetic when he gets caught up in the machine of human justice.

Here is the original in HD. You will have to turn on the subtitles/closed captions (c), if you don't speak Italian and French:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQsLtbbgpXk

I actually prefer the original language vs dubs because the lip mismatching always distracts me.😀

This is a very good copy. I'm so thankful for all of you responding to help for such a esoteric film. Only philosophy nerds would even be interested in this sort of film thus why it is so difficult to find it streaming anywhere. YT is my god. I spend way too much time on that website. 😆

@movie_nazi said:

Here is the original in HD. You will have to turn on the subtitles/closed captions (c), if you don't speak Italian and French:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQsLtbbgpXk

I actually prefer the original language vs dubs because the lip mismatching always distracts me.😀

This is a very good copy. I'm so thankful for all of you responding to help for such a esoteric film. Only philosophy nerds would even be interested in this sort of film thus why it is so difficult to find it streaming anywhere. YT is my god. I spend way too much time on that website. 😆

You're probably right about its limited audience being the reason why it hasn't gotten a major release. What's funny is I think the story is plenty interesting, even if people don't feel like diving into the philosophy of Camus. A strange young man kills someone in self defense, and his court trial (society) focuses entirely on his strangeness, rather than the facts of the case. It's a timeless story that applies to everyone who's ever been railroaded by a superficial justice system, whether it's murder or a parking ticket.

It's so simple you don't realize that by the end of the story you just got a crash course in Existentialism and the absurdity of being. 🤔