I honestly can't believe they dumped HoC, but it is what it is. Not that they could go on with Spacey, but what a bummer for all involved. And of course it's a case of art imitating life just a little too much!
I am indifferent whether Longmire continues or not. I feel like it had lost it's way.
Yeah, I liked it better in the first few seasons.
But that happens with lots of shows; they have a great start and then the writers start changing things as they attempt to keep things interesting so to speak.
They have to create conflict in the story. And they often make characters make really stupid decisions in order to create conflict. Like hiring feckless deputies like Ferguson. In an obvious setup Ferguson failed to take any evasive actions. Instead he sat in his patrol car and waited to be surrounded by armed men. Everyone could see the situation unfolding except Ferguson. I hate it when writers do that.
A few episodes later (S5:E9 Stand Your Ground) Cady Longmire talks to Henry about her misgivings about continuing to offer legal aid to reservation residents. She says to him "the last person I tried to help, I ended up......I ended up.....I ended up killing her husband.........I murdered someone, Henry".
The husband she referred to had just violated a restraining order, broken into Cady's locked legal office, and broken down the door to the room Cady and the wife were barricaded in. He pointed his gun at the wife and said he was going to kill her, appeared on the verge of doing just that. That is when she shot him. He then raised his gun to shoot Cady, and Cady shot him again. Clearly this was justifiable homicide, a self defense killing cut and dried.
Cady is a lawyer in the show. NO lawyer would be confused about the definition of murder. She knew full well that the shooting was justified and that what she did was in no way murder. She simply would never have used that word to describe what happened.
It would not matter how upset she was over having had to shoot a man and cause his death.
There was no reason for the writers to have her say what she said. I understand that they wanted to show Cady being overcome with emotion over the incident. But having to shoot someone, even though it was entirely justifiable and absolutely the correct thing to do, is more than enough to induce the kind of intense emotions Cady displayed.
Why did they make her say she murdered someone? It makes no sense. So why do it?
The most plausible reason I can imagine is that the writers have a personal fear and bias against private ownership and use of firearms, and did not like having the shooting described as justifiable, and preferred to have Cady call it murder. Agenda driven writing disgusts me.
It is also insulting toward women in my opinion to portray Cady as having no ability to both feel emotion and still exercise logic and speak truthfully. Are women lawyers unable to remember the law when they become emotional? That is nonsense, but that seems to be what they would have us believe.
Henry then tells Cady "You did not take a life Cady. You saved one."
Another dumb comment. In fact, she did both. And she was right to do so.
But.... she did NOT commit murder.
Henry's point was the focus that she saved a life not focus on that she took a life. One could argue that that guy really didn't have a quote unquote life worth living.
Henry's point was the focus that she saved a life not focus on that she took a life. One could argue that that guy really didn't have a quote unquote life worth living.
You're right about Henry, and probably about the creep being unredeemable as well. I agree with you.
My point is that calling that justified homicide "murder" was 1- categorically false, 2- something a smart attorney would never say, and 3- totally unnecessary to the plot.
Having to kill someone in self-defense is usually a very traumatic event, no matter how clearly justifiable the action is. You took the life of another human being. The fact that it absolutely had to be done, that it was the proper and correct response to the threat, does not lessen the emotional impact of the event. Cady killed a man, legally, justifiably, and as a last resort, but the fact is she killed a man. That is more than enough to justify her emotional meltdown.
There was no reason for the writers to have her call it murder.
There seems to be a liberal idea that all violence is wrong, bad, unjust, etc. and liberals tend to smear any distinction between the legitimate use of force and the criminal use of force. You see this bias displayed whenever a felon points a gun at a cop and the cop shoots the felon; liberals go ballistic.
I think that this philosophical bias of the (mostly) leftist writers in Hollywood is reflected in this scene and explains the incorrect use of the word "murder". It is agenda driven writing, and I hate it.
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Reply by Daddie0
on November 25, 2017 at 12:11 AM
I honestly can't believe they dumped HoC, but it is what it is. Not that they could go on with Spacey, but what a bummer for all involved. And of course it's a case of art imitating life just a little too much!
I am indifferent whether Longmire continues or not. I feel like it had lost it's way.
Reply by write2topcat
on December 15, 2017 at 8:30 AM
Yeah, I liked it better in the first few seasons. But that happens with lots of shows; they have a great start and then the writers start changing things as they attempt to keep things interesting so to speak. They have to create conflict in the story. And they often make characters make really stupid decisions in order to create conflict. Like hiring feckless deputies like Ferguson. In an obvious setup Ferguson failed to take any evasive actions. Instead he sat in his patrol car and waited to be surrounded by armed men. Everyone could see the situation unfolding except Ferguson. I hate it when writers do that.
A few episodes later (S5:E9 Stand Your Ground) Cady Longmire talks to Henry about her misgivings about continuing to offer legal aid to reservation residents. She says to him "the last person I tried to help, I ended up......I ended up.....I ended up killing her husband.........I murdered someone, Henry". The husband she referred to had just violated a restraining order, broken into Cady's locked legal office, and broken down the door to the room Cady and the wife were barricaded in. He pointed his gun at the wife and said he was going to kill her, appeared on the verge of doing just that. That is when she shot him. He then raised his gun to shoot Cady, and Cady shot him again. Clearly this was justifiable homicide, a self defense killing cut and dried. Cady is a lawyer in the show. NO lawyer would be confused about the definition of murder. She knew full well that the shooting was justified and that what she did was in no way murder. She simply would never have used that word to describe what happened. It would not matter how upset she was over having had to shoot a man and cause his death.
There was no reason for the writers to have her say what she said. I understand that they wanted to show Cady being overcome with emotion over the incident. But having to shoot someone, even though it was entirely justifiable and absolutely the correct thing to do, is more than enough to induce the kind of intense emotions Cady displayed. Why did they make her say she murdered someone? It makes no sense. So why do it?
The most plausible reason I can imagine is that the writers have a personal fear and bias against private ownership and use of firearms, and did not like having the shooting described as justifiable, and preferred to have Cady call it murder. Agenda driven writing disgusts me.
It is also insulting toward women in my opinion to portray Cady as having no ability to both feel emotion and still exercise logic and speak truthfully. Are women lawyers unable to remember the law when they become emotional? That is nonsense, but that seems to be what they would have us believe.
Henry then tells Cady "You did not take a life Cady. You saved one." Another dumb comment. In fact, she did both. And she was right to do so. But.... she did NOT commit murder.
Reply by WalkGood
on January 26, 2018 at 11:31 AM
Henry's point was the focus that she saved a life not focus on that she took a life. One could argue that that guy really didn't have a quote unquote life worth living.
Reply by write2topcat
on January 27, 2018 at 6:50 AM
You're right about Henry, and probably about the creep being unredeemable as well. I agree with you.
My point is that calling that justified homicide "murder" was 1- categorically false, 2- something a smart attorney would never say, and 3- totally unnecessary to the plot.
Having to kill someone in self-defense is usually a very traumatic event, no matter how clearly justifiable the action is. You took the life of another human being. The fact that it absolutely had to be done, that it was the proper and correct response to the threat, does not lessen the emotional impact of the event. Cady killed a man, legally, justifiably, and as a last resort, but the fact is she killed a man. That is more than enough to justify her emotional meltdown. There was no reason for the writers to have her call it murder.
There seems to be a liberal idea that all violence is wrong, bad, unjust, etc. and liberals tend to smear any distinction between the legitimate use of force and the criminal use of force. You see this bias displayed whenever a felon points a gun at a cop and the cop shoots the felon; liberals go ballistic.
I think that this philosophical bias of the (mostly) leftist writers in Hollywood is reflected in this scene and explains the incorrect use of the word "murder". It is agenda driven writing, and I hate it.