This thread brings back some great memories!

I loved this movie but Rey being a Mary Sue is more than obvious to anyone who's not blind.

Thanks goes out to Rian Johnson for asking the clueless JJ Abrams to tweak the The Force Awakens ending, else the Mary Sueness of Rey would have been even worse!

Originally JJ had BB-8 accompany Rey to Luke’s planet, Rian Johnson asked JJ to use R2D2 instead.

So if Rian hadn't asked for that minor change, she'd of stolen ownership of BB-8 from Poe, for no reason other than how great she is or how lazy the writing was!

@NotoriousRio said:

Thanks goes out to Rian Johnson for asking the clueless JJ Abrams to tweak the The Force Awakens ending, else the Mary Sueness of Rey would have been even worse!

Originally JJ had BB-8 accompany Rey to Luke’s planet, Rian Johnson asked JJ to use R2D2 instead.

So if Rian hadn't asked for that minor change, she'd of stolen ownership of BB-8 from Poe, for no reason other than how great she is or how lazy the writing was!

lol, yes, that would have been only consequential when your character bends all in-universe rules and becomes the center of gravity regardless of logic; Luke and Poe's roles were reduced so they could not steal Rey's spotlight. I also liked that R2 and Chewie stayed back with the ship in the end, so that Rey could meet Luke alone; also liked that R2 awakened just when Rey came to the base to spill the map (or was that plain old deus ex machine writing unrelated to Rey). Whatever!

As they say, you can take the Rey out of MaRey Sue, but you cannot take the Mary Sue out of Rey.

@Jedan Archer said:

This is self-evident, hence her nickname: MaRey Sue. Mary Sue writing is about characters that are unrealistically highlighted and that get unwarranted attention in the story context, thereby compromising character backgrounds and logic. http://www.springhole.net/writing/whatisamarysue.htm

Some examples:

1. Attention: Rey gets a hug from Leia, Chewie is ignored (Rey hugged first); Rey becomes captain of MF, Chewie her copilot (Sues start from on top). Everybody loves/desires her immediately because she is so special, even light sabers and dead Jedi call out to her; etc

2. Abilities: Rey gets every ability and power up she needs to look good, including Force powers and skills to save the day (security overriding on Starkiller, stunt piloting, multiple languages, ace shooting, mechanics, stick fighting, climbing, unblemished looks and beauty etc).

3. Better at everything: Rey beats everybody at his own game: even though untrained she is better than the Master of the Ren (Kylo) with both the Force and sword fighting ("She gets more powerful every minute"); she is better than Han with the MF mechanics/engineering ("Go away ball"), better than soldier Finn with everything (How did you do that?, I don't know! It was perfect), BB8 is useless because Rey repairs everything and even opens security doors ("Girl knows her stuff"), C-3PO is not needed because she speaks all languages including Wookie, droidspeak.

In the end, Rey gets Han's gun and ship, Luke's light saber and R2-droid, and Chewie as a copilot - and she finds MacGuffin-Luke: she is the SOLE HEIR and SAVIOUR of the SW UNIVERSE...

we miss u sir...

@Bubbathegut said:

@Jedan Archer said:

This is self-evident, hence her nickname: MaRey Sue. Mary Sue writing is about characters that are unrealistically highlighted and that get unwarranted attention in the story context, thereby compromising character backgrounds and logic. http://www.springhole.net/writing/whatisamarysue.htm

Some examples:

1. Attention: Rey gets a hug from Leia, Chewie is ignored (Rey hugged first); Rey becomes captain of MF, Chewie her copilot (Sues start from on top). Everybody loves/desires her immediately because she is so special, even light sabers and dead Jedi call out to her; etc

2. Abilities: Rey gets every ability and power up she needs to look good, including Force powers and skills to save the day (security overriding on Starkiller, stunt piloting, multiple languages, ace shooting, mechanics, stick fighting, climbing, unblemished looks and beauty etc).

3. Better at everything: Rey beats everybody at his own game: even though untrained she is better than the Master of the Ren (Kylo) with both the Force and sword fighting ("She gets more powerful every minute"); she is better than Han with the MF mechanics/engineering ("Go away ball"), better than soldier Finn with everything (How did you do that?, I don't know! It was perfect), BB8 is useless because Rey repairs everything and even opens security doors ("Girl knows her stuff"), C-3PO is not needed because she speaks all languages including Wookie, droidspeak.

In the end, Rey gets Han's gun and ship, Luke's light saber and R2-droid, and Chewie as a copilot - and she finds MacGuffin-Luke: she is the SOLE HEIR and SAVIOUR of the SW UNIVERSE...

we miss u sir...

Bubba! You're alive!!