Discuss King Arthur: Legend of the Sword

I just saw King Arthur and I have to say I loved it!  I'm into a lot of Arthurian themed films or sword/sandals films and since Boorman's Excalibur, I have never felt that grand epic mythical legendary film/story until this new film.  And that is what I love about Excalibur, and I use the same descriptive words - grand, epic, badass, legend, & myth - these are all the things I loved about the underrated Excalibur.  And since that film, every other Arthurian film was made in a more realistic manner, which THE 2004 version is the biggest culprit.  It seems people today unless it's straight out fictional, want every single film to be grounded in reality to the point where you make no room for magic, for myths or legends, or for fantasy/fairy tales.  The legend of King Arthur is more than a love story  - First Knight - or some bland realistically themed Roman General - the 2004 version, - and of course there's the musical Camelot with the great Richard Harris which was the very first Arthurian film I ever saw but never really cared for (especially Lancelot - ech!).  The story of King Arthur is an epic legend from some far away distant ancient land of how a boy rose to become a great King and died in the same mythical tragic yet grand manner.  It's reminiscent of the many fables and myths in every cultural past/traditions, it's almost biblical even, like Samson, Solomon, or King David.  Myths and legends are not realistic stories, they are stories meant to move the mind, the passions, & your imagination, they are there to entertain, to have a moral lesson, to be an example of masculine integrity & honor despite human frailties & faults, and it's sad that people dismiss such vital integral things which made the myth & legend of Arthur endure & flourish to have that bland, tasteless, corpse of the 2004 version.  Boorman's Excalibur remains the best because it embraces our inner childhood, our ancient longings & superstitions, & our wild & expansive imagination that every other version discards until the 2017 version.

I honestly was never going to see this 2017 film until it came out on bluray or until it appeared on Netflix.  Why?  Well, the marketing & ads for this film were not as persistent or as good as many of the other Disney flicks.  It seemed like another generic action film. The trailer itself did not recommend the film though there have been other films I loved that had abysmal trailers - The 13th Warrior - another underrated McTiernan film.  I saw the film simply because Chris Stuckman gave it a good review and you know what? I loved it far more than he did and unlike Chris, I see no fault in the plot or the script.  In fact, I found it to be quite tight.  I loved how the Mage referenced or asked Arthur "if he turned away (in one of his visions)" & that "we all turn away but that is what separates a man from a king."  - and we get this catharsis, this closing of the circle when he realizes what that meant in that vital moment and it's one of the most exhilarating things I have felt in a film.  Jude Law was fantastic in this and I loved him as a villain.  A hero is only as good as its villain & many films have weak villains, look at the new Star Trek films.   Questions on the killings he does but is heart broken to do, the defeat/loss of Excalibur are all answered at the right moment, when it is the most satisfying.  The use of the musical score is so effective and used so well & so precisely that it gets your blood pumping, I have never felt that in any ANY other Arthurian film except in Excalibur when O FORTUNA plays.  And this film is different enough from Excalibur in style, plot, & telling while remaining true to the spirit & epic grandness of Excalibur that it is fresh, new, & exciting!  And let's not forget the montages, the MONTAGES!  I absolutely loved them!  Anyone who says they don't love them in the Rocky films is lying.  These montages used in the Rocky series gets your blood fuelled, it makes you want to imitate the protagonist, & it remains in our collective consciousness because it is effective & blood inducing.  Unfortunately montages today are remnants of the past, of the 80s galore (Rocky films, even Scarface), & are avoided like the plague because it was seen as excessive and quintessentially an 80s style.  But Ritchie has brought it back here and I revel in it! REVEL!  I was grinning stupidly watching this film, especially in those montages.  It takes a lot of guts to do something people have dismissed for almost 30 years and to bring it back & do it effectively.  I firmly believe that King Arthur (2017) will be considered one of the underrated classics, trashed on its release but will be a beloved film as time goes on.  An underrated classic amongst - The Thing (1980), Excalibur, Apocalypto, The 13th Warrior, Dark City, Unbreakable, Empire of the Sun, Scarface (1983).

It is a pity though that this was to be the first installment of a 6 series film, one I would love to have but I don't think we will ever get, that (& like Unbreakable upon it's release & planned trilogy) it is heartbreaking.

If anyone wants to have a taste of a good, a great Arthurian film, I highly recommend this new film & Excalibur, Mists of Avalon is also a very good miniseries which focuses more on Morgana (Arthur's sister) and where Arthur is but some side character.

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I agree, I was reminded of the movie Excalibur, which for me, set a standard for Arthurian movies. I was pleasently surprised, I like Guy Ritchie's style very much, but I wasn't sure if said style would fit with an origin story for King Arthur's legend. However it was more mature and darker than the usual Ritchie film, and visually it was just stunning. By the way, wouldn't you say the female mage is Morgan? I think if there is a follow-up, she will reveal her true identity.

You know I liked Ritchie's Snatch but not so much his Sherlock Holmes films so I was surprised how well his style blended into this film. I sometimes don't understand how films I love and ultimately become classics as the years go by are hated upon its release. I believe most of the viewers who saw it either loved or enjoyed the film (some fear admitting liking it too much lest they get criticized I think), but many critics simply didn't care for it & I simply don't get why. And like the films I mentioned above, there have been other now known classics that were disastrous upon its release. It's like there's a disconnect which rights itself eventually. And although I am glad that great films get their just praises, for certain films like this one (where a 6 series film was planned), it would be too late. (Imagine my surprise when Split came out! LOL!)

I mean, Excalibur came out in 1980, that was 37 years ago, it took almost 40 years for a good Arthurian film to come out. & this was supposed to be even grander, bigger, with a 6 series film, that's more than 12 hours of Arthurian legend in the big screen & it would've been marvelous! But so tragic that it will never come to be. So when will a great Arthurian epic come again? Probably when I have grandchildren of my own & that's just so sad, lol!

@working_girl said: By the way, wouldn't you say the female mage is Morgan? I think if there is a follow-up, she will reveal her true identity.

You know I never gave it much thought, is she meant to be older, younger or the same age as Arthur do you think (in this version)? I also wonder if they will follow TMOA or Excalibur character down the line.....?

Now it makes me mad & all the more sad we won't get a sequel to this! The reveal may have happened in the 2nd film but the turn? Maybe in the 3rd? What do you think?

I wouldn't give up hope just yet on a sequel; stranger things have happened in the movie business grin
About the Mage, the actress is younger than Charlie Hunman, and I think they kept her name a mystery because they would reveal in a second movie she is Morgan. You are right, I would love to see after so much support for Arthur, the tragedy of her turning against him. It is a great story, hardly ever made truly honoring the potential of the original stories; Ritchie's take on it seems so interesting though!

I wouldn't give up hope just yet on a sequel; stranger things have happened in the movie business grin
About the Mage, the actress is younger than Charlie Hunman, and I think they kept her name a mystery because they would reveal in a second movie she is Morgan. You are right, I would love to see after so much support for Arthur, the tragedy of her turning against him. It is a great story, hardly ever made truly honoring the potential of the original stories; Ritchie's take on it seems so interesting though!

I would love for that to happen! But I'm so disappointed right now that if it doesn't span a sequel/series & I get my hopes up, I will all the more feel bad about it. But I'll leave a glimmer of hope in some cave in my heart, lol!

I'll rewatch it again tomorrow with a friend! I wish there were more people here to talk to about the film (& I don't mean the haters/trolls, what's the fun in that?).

Have you seen The Mists of Avalon miniseries? It was pretty good actually but since the focus wasn't on Arthur, the film was not as great as either Excalibur or King Arthur (2017). I ask because Morgana in it is presented as a misunderstood & a protagonist with Guinevere as a bit bishy. So previously I wondered if they would make the character more similar to that of Excalibur or the one from TMOA.

You know, I've been imagining what the subsequent plots for the rest of the series could be:

1 - the rise of the boy King 2 - intro of Guinevere, Lancelot (? - or maybe he'll come out in the 3rd), the reveal of the mage & something to do with the Vikings perhaps 3 - the turn of Morgan & the arrival of Lancelot? 4 - Arthur starts showing signs of weakness? 5 - the quest for the grail? 6 - the epic war like The Return of the King & death of Arthur?

Nice review! It makes me want to see the film. It's been a long time since a film has sparked my imagination.

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