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Could HC have his own Hollywood harassment story?
posted by ToniTurnyneSTAFFMOD on November 6, 2017 at 10:08 PM
These days, you can’t get past the entertainment section without any news about another actress telling their own harassment experience from Weinstein or other ‘predators’ in Hollywood. Even some actors are coming out with their own bad experiences (James van der Beek, Anthony Rapp, etc.).
So far, HC’s been very quiet about this hot topic in Hollywood. I can understand if he’d rather not share his opinion about it, but I do wonder if he too experienced some of the horrible experiences some actors and actresses described in their early days in Hollywood.
HC was quite young when he got cast in The Count of Monte Cristo and made his way to Hollywood auditioning to get parts, so he could have met some ‘predators’ in Hollywood.
Any thoughts?
Reply by Phoebe21
on January 11, 2018 at 1:36 AM
This is probably why Henry hates James. He smelt douchbag coming from a mile away.
https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/celebrity/reversal-fortune-dark-cloud-over-james-franco-after-actress-innuendo-n836461
Reply by Poetist
on January 11, 2018 at 1:41 AM
Didn't Franco say he was a douchbag while filming w/HC?
Reply by ToniTurnyne
on January 11, 2018 at 6:58 AM
Did HC ever say he hates James Franco? The only time I read anything about possible animosity between the two was from Franco himself when he wrote this article wherein he mentioned going ‘incognito’ for the premiere of MOS in the UK. He said he saw HC, then he went on telling how on the set of Tristan and Isolde, HC was focused on getting the role of Superman, and how HC may not like him because he was an ‘actor who took himself too seriously’... He basically admitted he was a bit of a douche and the article he wrote also made him sound like a douche.
http://metro.co.uk/2013/06/20/james-franco-reveals-feud-with-henry-cavill-after-letting-slip-his-desperation-to-play-superman-3849430/
HC doesn’t seem to have much luck with his co-stars. With the exception of Armie Hammer and Luke Evans, he doesn’t seem to get too friendly with them:
Reply by Poetist
on January 16, 2018 at 3:04 AM
Just want to say that HC better not wear a "Me Too" pin, because that's bringing down guys, though I think the Azir one is bogus.
Reply by ToniTurnyne
on January 16, 2018 at 3:23 AM
I could be wrong, but I doubt he’d wear it. He steers clear of ‘political’/social issues kind of things (hence, the affiliation to Durell). Given his comments last year about the ‘double standards’ about harassment, and his own record of stating ‘inapporpriate’ things when drunk, he might just sit this one one.
Reply by Poetist
on January 25, 2018 at 3:57 AM
I wonder whether it crossed HC's mind to donate his residuals from working with Woody Allen.
About time
The latest actors in Allen's film
Reply by ToniTurnyne
on January 25, 2018 at 6:14 AM
He was a young struggling actor then, waiting on tables, serving some rude customers to fly to the US to do auditions. Honestly, don’t think he should be donating any of the salary he made then (probably used it all up to pay rent or bills).
Frankly, I look with great skepticism over all these actors/actresses denouncing Woody Allen now — it looks more like people trying to save their own public image, moving along with a mob mentality, before the mobs starts attacking them...
Recently, I read Mia Farrow’s own support for Roman Polanski, which shocked me — so she’s ok to support Polanski, but all actors and actresses who worked with Woody Allen now has to denounce him and pay back the salary they made from his films, ok...
Reply by Poetist
on January 26, 2018 at 3:15 AM
You're talking about his salary. I'm talking about his residual/royalties from that movie.
I agree. They knew all along about Woody, and if they started this years ago, I can understand.
That is odd. Do you have a link?
Reply by ToniTurnyne
on January 26, 2018 at 7:26 AM
HC’s part in that movie is pitiful. He was not well-known then, so I have great doubt his contract included residuals and back-end pays or royalties. I think he may have just been paid a daily wage for times he was required on set. Even if he does get royalties or residuals, how they are calculated and when an actor starts getting them could be ‘murky’ as financial accountants pointed out to me. Whatever Works is one of Woody Allen’s less successful films, so I doubt he’s getting much from it if his contract allows for royalties.
If new evidence actually came out showing Woody’s guilt, I can understand the sudden denouncement. But so far, no new investigation, proper trial in court has come out yielding anything new. So what’s causing the shift? Ah yes, it’s more prudent to join the mob, before the mob ruins your PR image.
She’s been quiet about her own brother’s case of molesting young boys, and has been supportive of Roman Polanski
https://www.salon.com/2014/02/04/mia_farrows_sex_abuse_silence/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mia-farrow-defends-polanski/
Then I learned her other adopted son, Moses mentioned she’s been an abusive mother.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/feb/05/woody-allen-dylan-farrow-moses
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4935190/Woody-Allen-Mia-Farrow-s-son-claims-mother-abusive.html
Reply by Poetist
on January 27, 2018 at 2:02 AM
Whatever Works is one of Woody Allen’s less successful films, so I doubt he’s getting much from it if his contract allows for royalties.
Oh, HC gets residuals for that movie. It might be small, but he gets something. He was a SAG member by then because he was working on Tudors. I don't think it would be much to toss out that lunch money to the cause. He can join the bandwagon and still not feel a financial pinch.
Well, no new trial but Dylan, Woody's now adult daughter, says that she was molested by him. She stands by her claim that she had when she was a child. With that said, anyone can look at Woody's interaction with his last group of daughters and tell he's a perv.
This to me says it all:
I'm not believing Moses. He was not there and offers no real proof other than his dusty recollection. Dylan has stuck to her story, and all he can do is be a loser. As for Mia supporting her brother, I can see love blinding her, but to support Polanski -- she is wrong af for that!
Reply by ToniTurnyne
on January 27, 2018 at 6:30 AM
Is that how it works for SAG members, that they automatically get residuals no matter how small the part? I feel sorry then for Hugh Grant who got paid upfront and had no residuals, royalties for Four Weddings and a Funeral while his co-star, Andie McDowell got a slice of the profits.
I am curious, what caused the rift between Moses and his entire family? Why did he have a fallout with them, or specifically his mother? Why is his claims of abuse less believable than Dylan’s? Also, in other reports I’ve read, he was there in the house when the incident happened.
A court trial and investigations didn’t yield conclusive evidence that she was abused. For me, when I read the messy accounts of the case, neither party has shown conclusive evidence on who really is telling the truth, hence why I have my doubts. The situation is not like Cosby’s or Weinstein’s where there is a long trail of repeated offences and records, which makes it ‘easier’ for anyone to believe they’re guilty.
So far no actress he has has worked with has come forward accursing him of acting inappropriately towards them while working with him. The only thing conclusive is that he cheated on his long time gf (Mia) and had an affair with his gf’s daughter. On that matter, I agree with you. I do question though why Soon-Yi, who owes a lot to Mia, would go on with the affair so willingly, then go on to marry, have a family and stay with Woody all this time.
Reply by Poetist
on January 27, 2018 at 7:52 AM
Let's go with the easy answer: he's warped. He's probably got some type of mental illness, because he can't seem to maintain relationships. He appears to be on a constant mission to sabotage whatever bond he forms. Heck, he couldn't even stick around while his pregnant wife was carrying his child. What does that tell you?
It doesn't matter if Moses was in the house. Abuse happens in a house full of folks. He's ignorant to think that just because he didn't see anything that it didn't happen.
From what I know, there was never a trial, so no charges were brought up against Woody.
Do you think he abused Soon Yi? Personally, I didn't read the details of Dylan's case, but just because there wasn't conclusive evidence doesn't mean there wasn't any type of sexual abuse. It only means there is not enough evidence to move forward with a trial.
I don't think Woody's perversions are for women. He likes pre-teen/teenagers. His first wife was 16, but he was 19. Maybe, he gets a pass on that, but there have been two teen actresses that Woody made the moves on, Mariel Hemmingway when she was 16. Then, there was another teen, whom he did sleep with, but I can't remember her name.
This interview was nearly 3 years ago:
Mariel Hemmingway
Soon Yi was brainwashed. She knew Woody since she was 2, and now, she's his nurse maid, who turns a blind eye to her daughters.
Reply by Poetist
on January 27, 2018 at 8:32 AM
More:
Here is Ellen Page declaring that working with Woody was one of the biggest regrets of her life. She didn't go into details but. . .
Some facts about how this Dylan abuse scandal went down:
Reply by ToniTurnyne
on January 27, 2018 at 5:19 PM
I read that article by Ellen Page. She only stated she regrets working with him, but did not speak of him acting inappropriately towards her. She spoke more about Ratner.
The other actress who dated him at 17 was Stacey Nelkin. She said their relationship was ‘consensual’. I have read Mariel Hemmingway spoke about him hitting on her when she was 17 and then he asked her parents if she can come with him to Paris at 18. She said, no, and he did not pursue further. He does seem to go for much younger women or ‘barely legal’ teenagers in his stories. It does make him a creepy pervert, but does it make him a pedophile? From what I’ve read, he did not pursue Hemmingway further or sexually assaulted her, like Cosby or Weinstein did with their victims. I have also not read or heard any accounts of him sexually assaulting the younger women he fancies.
It is impossible for Soon-Yi Previn to know Allen since she was 2. She was still in Korea and she was likely around 6-7 when she was found on the streets of Korea, an orphan, and adopted by the Previns. Her real birthdate could not be established.
The word ‘brainwash’ seems to be used a lot by both sides. Woody is accused of ‘brainwashing’ Soon-Yi, while Mia is accused of brainwashing Dylan and her other children.
Moses Farrow is a licensed family therapist. Will the state give him a license if he truly has a mental illness? I still question why his own accounts of abuse are dismissed to be ‘irrelevant’ or ignored, while Dylan’s is wholeheartedly accepted. Both are recounting childhood events that happened when they were both kids.
I personally find it suspicious that Mia Farrow would say that ‘they miss Moses’, but then make the extra comment that when he left the Farrow fold, he also left his pregnant ex-wife. It seems to me she is aiming to discredit his own words by implying he is a bad husband for leaving his pregnant wife.
Here is Moses’ own account of his childhood with Farrow:
https://ronanfarrowletter.wordpress.com/2018/01/04/moses-farrow-speaks-out/
I have read that Vanity Affair article. But I have read this that offer a different perspective as well:
https://ronanfarrowletter.wordpress.com/2017/12/13/qa-with-dylan-farrow/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
I also recently found out that Farrow’s other adopted kids had some trouble in their adolescents years too. One committed suicide. http://people.com/celebrity/mia-farrows-children-where-are-they-now/
It makes me think that there may be some truth to what Moses was saying about the dysfunctional atmosphere happening in that household.
I read both sides. In fact, in the beginning I only read the Farrows’ own side of events, until someone suggested I read other perspectives. After I read all arguments and accounts/summary findings of the 2 investigations, I started having doubts about Woody’s guilt, If I am prepared to listen to Dylan, then I personally choose to listen to Moses too.
Reply by Poetist
on January 28, 2018 at 12:33 AM
Yes, he pursued a child. He just wasn't successful. He even had a 13-year-old pen pal, and he invited her to some event. Imagine his disappointment, when she came with two escorts. The 13-year-old said that she didn't think there was anything perverted about her pen pal Allen.
You are right. She wasn't 2, but still Woody dated Mia for YEARS. He saw Soon Yi grow up and he was a psuedo stepfather.
There is a big difference. Moses is going off an assumption. He IMAGINES nothing could have happened. Dylan said she was a victim of Woody's. Flash Forward and Dylan is sticking by her story. There is no gain for her other than redemption or some type of social justice.
Yes, she is, but he fired first. Still, it doesn't take away from the fact that he left his wife and has no ties to anyone.
By 2003, Moses reconnected w/Woody and Soon Yi, and the link was written in 2014. This is all after the allegations.
The one who committed suicide was wheelchair bound. One got hooked on drugs and was caught shop lifting. Mia adopted the unwanted. I'm not saying she is a saint, but at the end of the day, the undisputed proof is that Woody ran off with one of her daughters, a daughter he knew as a child.
That's enough to discuss me.