@pt100 said:

@.wojtek said:

I just type a lengthly response but my browser crashed so it went to /dev/null.

long story short: 5-star-10-grade scale is highly inconvenient to use and result in split-brain: stick to 5 star and use it everywhere or give 10 stars, as simple as that (this could be made optional and shouldn't be that hard to code)

What could be made optional? It doesn't make sense to make 5 or 10 optional, if that's what you're saying. There needs to be one scale for consistency.

Yes, because effectively it's already darn inconsistent - you have general scaled in 1-100 (1 tick mark), you have 5 stars and you very non-obvious half-stars (that some may choose to use) so in the end you already have at least 3 scales… Oh, and to top it all - API allows for 20-tick rates (https://developers.themoviedb.org/3/movies/rate-movie: "This is the value of the rating you want to submit. The value is expected to be between 0.5 and 10.0.")... or maybe even more - it doesn't state that it has to be a 0.5 increment so yeah... what did you say about consistency?

What makes absolutely no sense is having a 0.5 to 5 stars rating while the final rating is 1 to 100%. It's absurd and just leads to confusion.

And a 1-10 rating is million times better than a 0.5-5 rating.

And many members from TMDB only excuse to prevent a 1-10 rating to happen is "We shouldn't try to imitate IMDB because it's just copying IMDB" is absolutely ridiculous and illogical. IMDB doesn't hold the rights of the 1-10 rating. And if it's imitating IMDB... so what?

What makes absolutely no sense is having a 0.5 to 5 stars rating while the final rating is 1 to 100%. It's absurd and just leads to confusion.

Dude, come on that isn't really so confusing - as I said further up it's no different to imdb, you can personally rate something there 8/10, yet the overall rating can be 8.3/10 say. It's exactly the same as rating 4 stars here, yet seeing 83%...

So it's only equally "absurd" as what you were used to on imdb.

@The Midi-chlorian Count said:

What makes absolutely no sense is having a 0.5 to 5 stars rating while the final rating is 1 to 100%. It's absurd and just leads to confusion.

Dude, come on that isn't really so confusing - as I said further up it's no different to imdb, you can personally rate something there 8/10, yet the overall rating can be 8.3/10 say. It's exactly the same as rating 4 stars here, yet seeing 83%...

So it's only equally "absurd" as what you were used to on imdb.

What are you talking about? You are comparing two totaly different scenarios. This has nothing to do with IMDB's case.

On IMDB the rating is always the same. 8.3 is the average. Of course the average is not gonna always be entire numbers

A 70% average corresponds to an 3.5 stars average, yet the numbers do belong into different scales.

@.wojtek said:

@pt100 said:

@.wojtek said:

I just type a lengthly response but my browser crashed so it went to /dev/null.

long story short: 5-star-10-grade scale is highly inconvenient to use and result in split-brain: stick to 5 star and use it everywhere or give 10 stars, as simple as that (this could be made optional and shouldn't be that hard to code)

What could be made optional? It doesn't make sense to make 5 or 10 optional, if that's what you're saying. There needs to be one scale for consistency.

Yes, because effectively it's already darn inconsistent - you have general scaled in 1-100 (1 tick mark), you have 5 stars and you very non-obvious half-stars (that some may choose to use) so in the end you already have at least 3 scales… Oh, and to top it all - API allows for 20-tick rates (https://developers.themoviedb.org/3/movies/rate-movie: "This is the value of the rating you want to submit. The value is expected to be between 0.5 and 10.0.")... or maybe even more - it doesn't state that it has to be a 0.5 increment so yeah... what did you say about consistency?

Well, I think we agree, but I'm still not sure. What confused me was when you said:

this could be made optional and shouldn't be that hard to code.

It sounded like you were saying users should be able to choose between different scales, and that didn't seem to make sense to me. But if you're saying just one scale site-wide for ratings, then I agree.

Hi. I'm also all for the minimum of 10 points for ratings.

It may perhaps seem like it's neater for some people, but let's face it: People can't vote worth a sh!t! If they like it they'll give it full pot, if they don't they'll give it 1 or less. Instead, why not have a subsection: Plot: 1-10(0) Acting: 1-10(0) Big budget-feel: 1-10(0) Something else:1-10(0)

Or something that'll force people to think in perspective? Just having 1-5 is crap! That'll give too little nuance to it or what ever it'd be called The higher the number, the better ! Personally I'd like to have it graded 1-100!

Also, this feature shouldn't be tucked away in some menu but directly in the line of sight. That's a great way of getting people to vote. I just recently registered a couple of days ago because I'm looking for an alternative since imdb's gone all to sh!t lately, and I'm still learning this site and there's a few things I'm not too happy about. The layout is quite different. I prefer simple listings with as little graphics as possible. Also I like one row per movie/series/whatever-the-post-may-pertain and not some grouping of whatever. In essence; Short, to the point and simple without too much cluttering of graphics which will slow down the browser. By that I mean the half a second (Or longer, depending on workload/CPU/RAM/etc) it take for a page to load (New or in history) and that makes all the difference in the world when it comes to graphics on web pages!

Also, forgot to mention above, and as perhaps already noticed, I'm not a native speaker of english, and certain choices of words are not so straight forward. For instance the difference between the words "Rate it" and "Vote" (Like on imdb) is a little "Ehhh..?" as one would be expecting "Vote", and it's hidden behind a star-button and not in plain sight too.

So, I hope this wasn't too much of a mess to read/understand as it's 05:54 in the morning and I'm somewhat fried in the head right now.

It is a ten point scale. Five hearts is ten points. 2 hearts is four points and half a heart is 1 point. Whether we display ten hearts and don’t let people date in halve hearts is the same result.

You can choose another language in your settings too. Just for browing. And you can also select a language and fallback (in case language 1 doesn’t exist, use that other one) for the actual film/tv content. It’s located in your user settings!

I don’t think it’s much a difference between vote and rate. I consider them synonyms. Rating seems more correct though. As voting makes me think of elections or competitions where you vote for either contestant A or B

That's why having 5 stars and half-stars makes absolutely no sense.

Not only it's a worse rating system it's confusing as well because when the average ratings get release the ratings are 1-100%.

@Harry Skywalker said:

That's why having 5 stars and half-stars makes absolutely no sense.

Why does it not make sense? One can give exactly the same ratings using either scale; but the five-point scale takes up less space while still allowing a person to give the exact same numerical rating. The system's mouseover event makes it easy to give half-star (single point) ratings.

Not only it's a worse rating system it's confusing as well because when the average ratings get release the ratings are 1-100%.

I think they're assuming that most folks can do the rather simple arithmetic and realize that each star on a five-point scale stands for two points on a 10-point scale. The fact that averages range from one to 100 is not confusing to me. It's obvious that they're just multiplying by 10 to get to that scale, that is similar to the Rotten Tomatoes type of scale. Would you prefer a confusing and unmanageable scale with 100 stars? (Just kidding.)

Perhaps a 10-point scale such as IMDb's would be more familiar to many people, but I have no problem with the shorter scale. In fact, I find it a bit easier not to make a mistake and give an unintended rating by losing track of where I am on the scale.

@alltimemarr said:

It is a ten point scale. Five hearts is ten points. 2 hearts is four points and half a heart is 1 point. Whether we display ten hearts and don’t let people date in halve hearts is the same result.

You can choose another language in your settings too. Just for browing. And you can also select a language and fallback (in case language 1 doesn’t exist, use that other one) for the actual film/tv content. It’s located in your user settings!

I don’t think it’s much a difference between vote and rate. I consider them synonyms. Rating seems more correct though. As voting makes me think of elections or competitions where you vote for either contestant A or B

Ehh... What..? 5 stars = 10 stars - Are you 4 real!!? If there indeed ARE 10 stars, put the others there and DON'T blame space as a main concern - You've got plenty on the otherwise phat pages! (On a movie/actor-page there's too little information presented without having to click something Also, on actors pages there should be a simple listing without B I G pictures (Well, thumbnails are big) at the top, and secondly the credit listings should be tighter without grouping/spacing, and also not centered!)

What ppl see IS 5 stars, also the finer grain is hardly visible, and it sux, big time!

What I said before still stands!

Whenever I see 5 star ratings I think petty thinking! The higher the numbers, the better - Cannot beat that - EVER!!!

Also, I'm extremely picky when it comes to translations, and sites seldom get's it right with the grammar and that's why I stick with English since my fellow countrymen can't translate 4 sh!t! And fallback language... Come on?

If english doesn't work...

Why bother!!?

@4c3T said: What ppl see IS 5 stars, also the finer grain is hardly visible, and it sux, big time!

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Why bother!!?

This.

I gave up on tmdb and relapsed to imdb... yeah, it may suck more now, but still it has more sensible UI without glaring inconsistencies - the scale is actually fine grained and then the dumb 5 starts, that actually offer 10-point rating. Makes no sense, but then the response is "no because of the reasons".

I was excited that there is more open alternative to imdb, but it turns out the community is more closed than imdb so... "why bother"

@4c3T said:

@alltimemarr said:

It is a ten point scale. Five hearts is ten points. 2 hearts is four points and half a heart is 1 point. Whether we display ten hearts and don’t let people date in halve hearts is the same result.

You can choose another language in your settings too. Just for browing. And you can also select a language and fallback (in case language 1 doesn’t exist, use that other one) for the actual film/tv content. It’s located in your user settings!

I don’t think it’s much a difference between vote and rate. I consider them synonyms. Rating seems more correct though. As voting makes me think of elections or competitions where you vote for either contestant A or B

Ehh... What..? 5 stars = 10 stars - Are you 4 real!!?

Dude, that's not what was written. What was written was "Five HEARTS is ten POINTS."

It's very simple. This should be neither an issue nor a discussion.

If there indeed ARE 10 stars, put the others there and DON'T blame space as a main concern - You've got plenty on the otherwise phat pages! (On a movie/actor-page there's too little information presented without having to click something Also, on actors pages there should be a simple listing without B I G pictures (Well, thumbnails are big) at the top, and secondly the credit listings should be tighter without grouping/spacing, and also not centered!)

What ppl see IS 5 stars, also the finer grain is hardly visible, and it sux, big time!

What I said before still stands!

Whenever I see 5 star ratings I think petty thinking! The higher the numbers, the better - Cannot beat that - EVER!!!

If I rate a movie 3.5 stars, it's getting a 7/10. This is arithmetic at its most basic.

When a bunch of people rate a movie somewhere between 3 and 4.5 stars, the ratings get aggregated and the movie gets a rating extrapolated as a percentage like 73% or 68%. No individual needs to rate a movie 68 out of 100 or 6.8 out of 10 in order for the aggregated ratings to produce an overall movie rating. What, materially, is the difference to you between a 67% and 68% that you'd need to be able to rate a movie as such? No one here is getting paid for their opinion, no one is making a living here by rating movies. It's not that big a deal. The five stars allow someone to provide a quick response to a film, and the aggregate score reflects that. That's all.

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@4c3T said:

@alltimemarr said:

It is a ten point scale. Five hearts is ten points. 2 hearts is four points and half a heart is 1 point. Whether we display ten hearts and don’t let people date in halve hearts is the same result.

You can choose another language in your settings too. Just for browing. And you can also select a language and fallback (in case language 1 doesn’t exist, use that other one) for the actual film/tv content. It’s located in your user settings!

I don’t think it’s much a difference between vote and rate. I consider them synonyms. Rating seems more correct though. As voting makes me think of elections or competitions where you vote for either contestant A or B

Ehh... What..? 5 stars = 10 stars - Are you 4 real!!?

Dude, that's not what was written. What was written was "Five HEARTS is ten POINTS."

It's very simple. This should be neither an issue nor a discussion.

If there indeed ARE 10 stars, put the others there and DON'T blame space as a main concern - You've got plenty on the otherwise phat pages! (On a movie/actor-page there's too little information presented without having to click something Also, on actors pages there should be a simple listing without B I G pictures (Well, thumbnails are big) at the top, and secondly the credit listings should be tighter without grouping/spacing, and also not centered!)

What ppl see IS 5 stars, also the finer grain is hardly visible, and it sux, big time!

What I said before still stands!

Whenever I see 5 star ratings I think petty thinking! The higher the numbers, the better - Cannot beat that - EVER!!!

If I rate a movie 3.5 stars, it's getting a 7/10. This is arithmetic at its most basic.

When a bunch of people rate a movie somewhere between 3 and 4.5 stars, the ratings get aggregated and the movie gets a rating extrapolated as a percentage like 73% or 68%. No individual needs to rate a movie 68 out of 100 or 6.8 out of 10 in order for the aggregated ratings to produce an overall movie rating. What, materially, is the difference to you between a 67% and 68% that you'd need to be able to rate a movie as such? No one here is getting paid for their opinion, no one is making a living here by rating movies. It's not that big a deal. The five stars allow someone to provide a quick response to a film, and the aggregate score reflects that. That's all.

Uhh... Where to start... Get a life!

If one person rates a movie 73% and another 68% then there's little difference. BUT - If a 100 ppl rate it differently, then there's a whole different matter all together!

No matter what you think of my opinions - There should still be at least a 10 point grading system, not this one! Period!

@4c3T said:

Uhh... Where to start... Get a life!

Says the person quibbling over a non-issue.

If one person rates a movie 73% and another 68% then there's little difference. BUT - If a 100 ppl rate it differently, then there's a whole different matter all together!

If 100 people rate a movie differently, it's not a different matter at all. Sum of X divided by the count of X = mean average, whether X is 6, or 574, or 38,329, the mean average is the mean average rating that the movie, on the whole, received by however many people voted.

If you want to measure standard deviation of those ratings, that's available too and would be interesting. If the spread of ratings is wide, there is less consensus about what the movie rating is. If the spread of ratings is narrow, if most of the ratings are relatively close to the mean average, it means the movie has managed to resonate pretty much the same for all viewers. That might tend to suggest either the audience was narrow/homogeneous; or, that, by and large, most people were capable of recognizing what the movie really is, good or bad, for whatever reasons.

No matter what you think of my opinions -

No matter what YOU think of YOUR opinions, they are still just YOUR OPINIONS.

There should still be at least a 10 point grading system, not this one! Period!

There is a 10 point RATING system that is accurately, mathematically extrapolated from a 5 point grading system.

Any of these grades 3/5 = 6/10 = 9/15 = 12/20 = 15/25 = 18/30 = 24/40 = 297/495 gets us to a rating of 6/10 or 60%

Jeez, this must be the most stupid thread on this entire site...