Discuss Willow

I know a lot of focus has been on the notion that the series is pushing an agenda. I'm trying not to focus on it, though it definitely doesn't follow the traditional heroic action series model. I've also been very disappointed in how the writers, who purported to be huge fans of the original movie--which was, if we're being honest, a pretty juvenile attempt by George Lucas to write a LOTR-style saga--have (or not) used Warwick Davis. He's really just a side character, relegated to tut-tutting the character of Elora Dannen as she consistently ignores him before she inevitably becomes a far greater sorcer than he as if by whim. (She seems to have a similar track as Rey in the recent Star Wars movies, with as little need for Willow as Rey had for Luke.)

Anyhoo..

What bothers me more than anything is just how poor the writing and dialogue are. I've been really working hard to ignore the modern language in a medieval-style setting, with limited success. I've also largely ignored the use of modern music, since I typically exercise while I'm watching and treadmills tend to drown that stuff out. But since I use closed-captioning, I can't ignore the dialogue. Kasdan Jr. has obviously traded on his much more talented father's name to get gigs in Hollywood, if this series is an indication. I've yet to find any fantasy trope they haven't tapped. A rogue with a heart of gold that is much less adept with women than he purports to be. The stern teacher outshone by his young, hip charge. The star-crossed lovers who can't quite get together. The inept, but good-hearted wannabe hero that will inevitably have his moment to shine. The EEEEEEVIL witch with no redeeming qualities and her seemingly inept minions, who threaten, but whom we all know will get their ultimate comeuppance. (And, I'm guessing here, the absent hero about whom all talk and wonder who will inevitably show up in the final episode--you know, the one episode NOT screened for critics to build suspense for the GASP! big reveal that will light up Twitter and lead to last minute accolades.)

The latest episode (the 5th), cheaply set in a forest with minimal sets and obviously plastic "Bone Reaver" garb, was almost unbelievably bad and moved the plot forward not an inch. It was entirely filler. It gave us a chance to give a trophy--and a title--to the perpetually stone-faced character of Jade. The fearsome Bone Reavers essentially live in a few huts in the middle of a "magical forest" about as interesting as a woodlot you can find near any freeway. Most of the episode was spent with no forward progress and the introduction of potential allies about as threatening, and numerous, as your weekend flag football team. (But the big, muscular guy with the woman's name is apparently a closet epicurean.) I just can't understand why, in a series that is only eight episodes long, the writers devoted an entire episode that stridently refuses to move the plot along or do anything interesting with a single character.

Oh, and the title character gets about five minutes of screen time glowering, lecturing, and catching up with an utterly wasted cameo character (Rool) who mostly shows up to bitch about his teenage daughter, toss out a few lame jokes, but then wax rhapsodic about the heroic adventure of a group of people he's barely met. Did I mention how bad the writing is?

I just can't believe, sometimes, that people are paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to write this terribly. This has been on the level of the tens of thousands of free or cheap novellas on Amazon that amateur authors vomit out every day, but who lack the connections to actually get paid for. It also boggles my mind that the critics, possibly blinded by the emphasis on inclusiveness rather than the good writing, seem to have come to the consensus that this is a show worth watching.

Woof. I haven't watched the original in years, and I have little fondness for it--though Joanne Whalley was stunningly pretty and the weird two-headed dragon was rather different---but the writing for this series is CW-level at best.

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This writing and the many popular novels will one day be considered as 'great' literature. wink

Anyway, the dialogue is 'strange' for this fantasy. It is distracting and one feels like being at an amateuristic Ren Fair. An example is when Jade said "Can a sorcerer lose his mojo?", and I thought of this.

@wonder2wonder said:

An example is when Jade said "Can a sorcerer lose his mojo?", and I thought of this.

:) Yes, the word "mojo" is permanently associated with AP in my mind as well. Sadly, nothing as entertaining as even Fat Bastard's malodorous Sumo thong has come from watching this series.

You know, I'm warming up to the show even though I agree with the comments above. I like that it doesn't take itself too seriously. Either way, it's light years better than the old movie that on rewatch still is a stinker. But for a family fantasy show, I've been enjoying it. The dreaded Brownies showed up last episode and that was even done well. And they moved on from them which is wise. Giant Owls. Lol.

ha lol. Different tastes.

Never really post about series, but had to for this one. I was 13 when the movie came out and loved it, still do, and when I saw that a TV series was coming out with Warick I was super excited. Then I watched it.

Dialogue is indeed odd. As is the music. It's hard to get into the genre when they're using modern terms and Top40 music. It also seems to be less about saving the world and Elora's destiny, and more about some bratty Princess's lesbian love story. We get it, Disney... you're woke, but no one cares! Anyone who was a fan of the movie just wanted to see a charming fantasy series of them on a quest. They even added way too many characters. Keep Willow, Elora and Boorman... dump the rest off at a tavern, off a cliff, whatever. Show woulda been far better with just those 3.

Also... last week's episode... the brownie's daughter... was she wearing a printed t-shirt?

It gets better. I think about episode 4 or 5.

@NeoLosman said:

Also... last week's episode... the brownie's daughter... was she wearing a printed t-shirt?

She was. And given the tenor of this series, it's shocking that it didn't read "Ask me about my Intersectional Feminist agenda"


She's wearing an onesie/ T-shirt combo. Very fashionable.

Onesies have become populair again now with Gen Z and young millennials, and of course the Brownies.

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