It may be a ruse. They like to tease us with red herrings, get us to believe something and surprise us later. I am not convinced the father is guilty of more than having an affair. His connection to the killings may be incidental. Yet he does act like he is hiding something. He acts like someone who is ashamed of his affair and wanted to keep it secret, he would rather bury the past. He may have had dangerous business connections in the past. What is he so determined to hide? Seems like more than the affair. He knows something about the murder of his wife I think. But that doesn't mean he did it.

I wrote the above paragraph and then watched some more. Now I have seen the father shoot that guy they found fishing at the pond. He tried to tell Igor something about his father but didn't get the chance. It's clear that Igor's father finished him off while Igor went for the first aid kit. So he desperately wants to keep something in his past hidden. At this point anything is still possible. I like that the writers don't telegraph what is coming in an obvious way, as happens in other shows.

Danila, the "I lost my gun guy" just cannot let his hatred of Igor go, and it is affecting his relationship with Victoria Rodionova. Danila's jealousy is like a self fulfilling prophesy, driving her away from him as she develops feelings for Igor. He took a bullet for her, and I think that is when her feelings about him began to soften. (By the way, I've never heard of someone taking a chest shot without a vest and coming back to work in a couple of days). That's the magic of TV. Igor has begun working better and, for his part, has put the issue with Danila to rest. He is still drinking far too much. I also don't like seeing him getting drunk. My dad was an alcoholic which was the major reason my parents split. I lived with him after I turned 16 and was hard for my mom to handle. He had started going to AA meetings by then. I went to some of the open meetings with him. I straightened out my act living with my dad. I actually think the meetings I went to helped me also. I wasn't addicted to anything, but I had been too much of a party animal. It was the early 70s, and marijuana, alcohol, and other drugs were plentiful and popular. I quit everything I had been doing and started doing well in school after I moved in with my dad. He was a WWII veteran, one of the "battered bastards of Bastogne". He spent 4 years in the war. He let me know he wasn't going to put up with any bullshit. The truth is, I was ready for a change. Anyway, I am starting to watch episode 9 now. I think Igor has reached a turning point, of sorts. I doubt he will stop drinking, it seems all Russians like to drink, and cops are notorious for drinking. But I like the changes Igor is showing.

It is sort of like a journey of self discovery for him - he is letting go of his old useless lifestyle bit by bit - but I do have issues with him giving up his old contacts so easily. I don't know if you have come to the old hobo in the graveyard yet - I am not sure what is going on there. Igor bought the bottle of vodka in a shop - one assumes it was a sealed bottle - yet the old guy dies after drinking it. His father is a very powerful and successful man - he has enemies - the people following Igor are his enemies and the people following them are his father's protection squad - it is very crowded around Igor! The whole scenario about his father taking him to see Dato? who was fishing. Why would he take Igor if he knew Dato had some incriminating things to say about him? Then he shoots him in the leg when he does start talking and when Igor comes back from getting a first aid kit from the car Dato is gone. He jumped in the water and swam away his father says. So why didn't he kill Dato then and there if he had such terrible things to say regarding Igor's mother. It all suggests that Igor's dad is not a killer. You are fast approaching where I am currently at and will probably wave at me as you pass !!

Yeah, when he was forced to join the police department, even though he had not quit drinking, he immediately went to Stas and demanded he quit doing drugs. Was he pissed that because he tried to help his friend Stas he wound up in trouble with his father, and was forced to become a cop? Did that incident turn him against drugs? Did he have a prescient moment about Stas taking drugs and getting into more trouble? That wouldn't take much forethought actually, just about anyone would figure Stas would wind up in trouble from his drug use.

It didn't seem congruent that on the one hand he displayed a flippant attitude while at work, but when he was on his own time he acted as if he was a full on convert to supporting the rule of law. It would have been better had he sat down with Stas and everyone, together or individually, and told them "hey, I'm a detective now, and though it was forced upon me, I am serious about this job and about upholding the law. So I am telling you now I don't want to see any of you breaking the law because if I do, I will have to arrest you. I will do my duty under the law. Stas, your drug problem actually brought this about. You should check yourself into rehab. Drugs have put you into trouble already, and they will keep doing it." Something like that. At least then they would have been on notice. The way he spoke to Stas that night he tossed his drugs and the ground and demanded he quit from that moment on, he acted like an ass. Give some people a bit of authority over others and they act like dictators. That night, Igor acted like a jerk, even though he was right.

I have not seen the hobo yet, or else I dozed off during that part. I had to watch an episode over again, and I probably should have watched the one before it also.

I also didn't see the need to bring Igor along to meet the man who tried to shoot him. Was Daddy trying to show his son that he was looking out for him? Like, 'see son, I found the man who tried to kill you so we can question him together, a little father son time.' Weird, eh? Let's bond while I maim your attempted murderer. I don't know. I agree that it wouldn't make sense to bring Igor along if he knew this guy might spill the beans on him. People as powerful as Igor's father in post Soviet Russia probably had to get their hands dirty at some point along the way. (Which is why those cops were so stupid to assault Igor and repeatedly slash his tires. If Igor had mentioned it to his dad, or if his dad noticed all the new tire purchases and decided to investigate, or if he were simply monitoring his son and saw the repeated vandalism, those cops could have wound up in a serious social interaction. Igor's dad probably as the juice to have cops killed if he wanted to.) Dad doesn't want Igor to know about some things, probably because they would be dangerous for him to know. Because someone at least as powerful as his dad seems determined to keep Igor from finding out the truth also.

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I read in Wikipedia that there are four season to this show. IMDB shows that there are three seasons. Netflix only has two of them. I wonder if the show is still being broadcast, that is, if it is still being shot and aired, or if all seasons are complete now. I hope Netflix will add the remaining seasons soon. This has turned out to be a good show.

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off topic- We spoke about the radical activists previously, and you had mentioned what is happening in UK schools. I just read an article about that. One teacher, a Sarah Hobson from Warrington, has methods of conditioning children as young as 6 years old to "accept diversity".

"One method Hopson employs is requiring her young pupils to write a gay love letter from one male character to another male character. The school has also adopted “non-gender-specific” uniforms."

I cannot imagine forcing young children to write gay love letters. Another lady, Elly Barnes, the founder of Educate and Celebrate, openly says the “bottom line is to completely smash heteronormativity,” adding, “that’s what we want to do.”

These radicals are pissed off that most people find it normal for men and women to love each other. So they are trying to brainwash children to think and act gay and to view it as normal. But if they have to brainwash children to think this way, it isn't really normal then, is it? If most people, left to their own, are heterosexual, then isn't that the norm? It isn't acceptance or tolerance they seek, it is dominance. They want to force children to go gay and say it is normal. They are not willing to allow the children to figure out who they are on their own. That is just awful. https://www.teaparty247.org/true-motives-of-lgbt-activists-revealed-hint-its-not-acceptance-or-inclusivity/

All you can hope for is that parents take a stand against this - but parents are being brainwashed also - a neighbour of mine with two young children responded to one of my posts on face book where I was commenting on this issue and she thinks that it is a good thing for children to learn about different types of sexuality. She is not very bright - what else do you expect in a school system that accepts "G" as a pass in school exams - and she is not the only one. All I can say is that I believe that children are born with their sexuality and it cannot be changed by words. They may learn about deviance but I don't believe that it will make them deviant. In fact when they grow up they may well realise how these people tried to brainwash them and it will lead to a backlash against them. There are a lot of Muslims in this country who are already outraged by what is happening - and as governments tend to listen to these people more than they do to the indigenous population or Christians that may well be a ray of light in this situation. If everybody in the world became gay how could humanity survive? Would they suffer heterosexual sex in order to breed more deviants who would likely be born straight anyway. No matter how much they may bellow - you cannot change a person's sexuality. Back to "Silver Spoon". There are some scenes in this which are downright silly - especially the special effects scene, plus another scene in an actors studio. The Russians seem to have a very childish sense of humour. I am getting tired of Vika's miserable face - she is beginning to morph into Paige !. Temptations are put in Danila and Zeka's way and Igor is playing fast and loose with his father's fortune. Why do they do this? If I had that amount of money I would not risk it for anything - especially in Russia where it means absolute power to do what you want. Igor is beginning to look like a pin cushion - but never mind - he has remarkable recovery abilities it seems.

I just finished episode 10 so I have not seen him in charge of the fortune yet. They show Igor as being highly principled, willing to throw away his credit card to his father's money to show his independence. He is an all or nothing guy. In showing him this way, they have him make some really stupid decisions sometimes. I would have kept that credit card. Also, when he scraped up the money for Victoria's sister he sold his car and used all his cash reserves and bought a BMW with a crappy motor. I would have bought something reliable, but they had him buy a clunker to emphasize the depth of the sacrifice he was prepared to make for Victoria. Of course this had an effect upon her when she finally learned the source of the funds; she showed up at his place and wound up kissing him, slapping him, kissing him, and so on. I knew they would tease us with that relationship. I imagine she will try to keep things professional now, but Danila will sense the change and the jealousy situation will continue, maybe get worse. But I don't think they will become an item, the tease will continue.

I think we were right in thinking Vladimir, Igor's dad, did not kill his wife. Perhaps he thought about it, or maybe that was all a story concocted by that other oligarch. Vladimir isn't looking well, and now his life has been threatened; harbingers of ill tidings. And if Igor gains control of the family fortune, then I'm guessing Vlad gets killed by that other oligarch.

Since Vika began to develop feelings for Igor her face has been stuck in that tortured expression showing the inner conflict (I still care about Danila, though I hate his jealousy, Igor has turned out to be a great guy, he needs my help, and dammit I like him, but I don't want to hurt Danila, and I need to act professionally at work...). By the way, as Captain she doesn't do a very good job keeping her crew in line. How many times have Igor and Danila gone at each other? And Vika sometimes just watches with a worried/disappointed expression on her face, and sometimes she pleads with them to stop fighting. With Danila she is pathetic. She might as well say "Please, stop. Come on, you promised. I really mean it, I want you to stop. You won't? Oh darn it. " Danila doesn't listen to her or obey her many times, overcome with his jealous rage he just sees red and keeps charging at Igor. Actually that has gotten much better recently, especially since Igor gave him the money for Vika. But now that she knows where it came from, I bet Danila will reconsider and his jealous and paranoid mind will determine that Igor planned it all this way.

You didn't write this series did you ? !! lol - looks like I can't spoil anything for you! You will come to a part regarding documents - quite honestly I have no clue what they represent. I have no head for business so you will probably need to explain their significance to me. He nearly used up another life obtaining them! You are nearly to where I am - so I wont say any more at the moment because it would be too revealing.

having trouble posting here now. here goes a second time. Starting episode 12 now, and Vika called Danila over to her place and planted a kiss on him. Lying in bed he starts kissing all over her and she is definitely not into it. She tells him she just realized everything is over between them. That is some supremely lousy timing. Danila has to be thinking (you couldn't have realized this before you called me over? Or waited til the morning to realize it?)

She had watched Lera weep and cry on Igor's shoulder, begging him to let her stay the night saying she couldn't stay at home because there were pictures of Stas there. I am a sucker for a crying woman asking for my help so I understand him having pity and letting her stay the night. But Vika watched this and figured he must still feel something for Lera. She probably figured Lera was turning on the water works to ply her way inside, which is about right I think. Does she think there is something more to it than Igor having pity on his former fiance? She told Danila that Igor doesn't need her.

Ok I just watched Igor and Danila outside Lera's apartment building and the man with a dog showed them pictures from his cell phone of a car he said was parked outside the night before. Here is a big problem I have with this: they didn't get his identity, or get copies of the photos he took of the car. They know nothing about the guy, nor do they have copies of the evidence which would give them probable cause for going after Dato's cousin, or whoever it was. And given that the guy immediately made a phone call with a serious expression on his face as they left, the odds are pretty good that he gave them false information to lead them astray. If they had taken his information, checked his ID, downloaded his phone, etc. then at least they might have had a real lead later on once they realize they were given a bum steer.

Now the whole crew is entering a garage where they expect the murder may be hiding, all with guns drawn ready for action. Well, all except Igor, of course. They still have not sent him for firearms training, qualification, etc. But he is still part of the entry team here. I guess they think Hey, this guy is a bullet magnet so that makes it safer for us.

OK, I just finished the first season. As far as the documents, I only heard some hints. What I got from it was just that Vlad and that evil guy they refer to as Ignatiev (and some other name) were business partners in his first company. Ignatiev was involved with criminals. Somehow he forced Vlad to sign over his property in exchange for his life. I didn't catch all the details on that. Vlad sold his company and apparently Ignatiev was the secret or actual end purchaser of it. Sorry, I didn't really understand it all. I don't think they intended for us to follow it in detail, or that they even explained it in detail. We were just given the important bottom line facts; Vlad was forced to sign over property, evil guy killed his wife, mistress was conneted to evil guy as well, unbeknownst to Vlad, and evil guy is now connected both in the criminal world and in government, which at a certain level become the same.

Regarding the documents - I got a little bit of that from it - but I thought I had missed much more which apparently wasn't there anyway. They didn't really show us the significance of the documents or why they were hidden in his wife's photograph. If they offered some kind of proof of bad guys wrongdoings why hide them in such a stupid place - why not in a bank vault or out of the country someplace even. But in a photo in a wooden house in the woods? And if they were so important why not just use them to discredit bad guy? I think they are a little muddy on this. I assume that bad guy killed Vlad's wife to make him sell him his property - so why leave him alive once he had it? I also think it's a bit stupid to use the same method of killing to clear up all the loose ends - somebody is going to notice sooner or later. I am on S2 Ep3 and believe me - it gets quite implausible. Where are you at in the story?

I was up late watching it. I kept falling asleep and waking up later, couldn't stay comfortable. Netflix keeps running the show for a few episodes before pausing on its own. So I would go back and pick up from where I last remembered watching then fall asleep again. Finally I quit watching part way through episode 6. I think those documents were copies which that old security guard for the evil guy kept, for whatever reasons. Perhaps he felt guilty about the wife, so kept them behind her photo in his cabin in the woods. Lucky that Igor had to grab that photo from the fire. And you're right, Igor made another stupid decision when he listened to his father and allowed him to handle things on his own rather than try to use official channels. Igor should at least have kept photocopies of the documents. His dad's contention that official channels wouldn't work may have been right since Ignatiev is so well connected in government. Apparently oligarchs in Russia wield enormous power over government officials. Not that different than the rest of the world in that way. Vlad probably thought that if Igor attempted to use the documents to go after Ignatiev through the legal system he would have only succeeded in making himself a target. But as it turns out, that happened anyway.

It is stupid of him to act so cocky and antagonistic when he attends those board meetings. It would be better to fool Ignatiev to view him as someone who has decided that his best investment is that company. Clearly Ignatiev prefers to kill those who present a serious threat to him. I don't know if you have seen any of this yet, or found out how Igor got his inside information about the minority share holders.

Vika still cares for Igor, and Danila is still jealous of him even though he and Vika have broken up. Vika's boss witnessed a fight in the parking lot and got really pissed. Vika doesn't think there is a real future with Igor I think. Igor arranged to meet some hottie in a bar, save her from some jerks hitting on her (which he probably paid them to do) and so became her prince charming. I think I know why he arranged this meeting but it has not been revealed yet so I won't say. They have been sleeping together fairly regularly now.

And yes, a serial killer who always uses the same method makes it easier on the police. After several identical suicides, right down to the use and placement of the scalpel, it becomes obvious that the deaths were not suicides but the work of a serial killer.

I am still sleepy and tired this morning, and I have a doctor's appointment in a few hours. I need to motivate myself to get busy. I will probably watch some more this afternoon.

I have just finished S2 Ep4 - what is going on? Igor has transformed from playboy to cop to high powered business man in a matter of weeks. I still find it hard to believe that he is now a junior lieutenant and still with no fighting or firearms training. He is back using old contacts to take a bank on who's selling debts to a collection agency they also own. He has persuaded bad guys secretary to pass on information about minority share holders to him and he now owns 7% of bad guys company. He has set Zheka up with a posh girl and there was "an amusing interlude" involving sea food at the police station. Zheka - for goodness sake - it doesn't matter how you scrub him up he is never going to pass for a "gentleman" particularly with that bobble hat he insists on wearing. Another "amusing interlude" follows where Zheka and the girl run out of a restaurant without paying. And that business with glugging down the wine taster glass was just stupid - it was the first thing that Igor taught him - even I know how to behave in that situation and I don't even drink. And Katia - his latest squeeze - do they give cocky civilians tours of police stations in Russia? And she is of course clairvoyant - she can tell immediately that tragedy queen Vika is in love with him. And what of Vika's sick sister? Hands up those who think there is nothing wrong with her and she is just being pimped by Vadim her boyfriend to screw money out of Vika. For a police captain Vika is decidedly slow on the uptake. Now we have Stas doing a turn as a "Glitch" returner from the dead. "Did you think I was dead?" he says before putting a bullet through the forehead of Yana (why do these people insist on asking questions when they are being screamed at "Get out of there" and just stand there bleating "what's happening - what do you mean" and the like instead of high tailing it out of there like their butt was on fire) Well yes Stas, I actually did as your dead body was witnessed by more than one person including us - the audience. And how did he know exactly where Yana would be and at what time? Are they or did they gloss over this also?

Zheka and the posh girl: well, I know that some girls go for 'bad boys', but Zheka doesn't really fit that bill. Some girls go for their opposites I guess; that is the best reason I can come up with for that girl liking him. But even when girls don't care that you're not handsome, they still want someone who makes the effort to dress well, and act confident. Zheka fails on the first score, and gets a mixed score on the second. Maybe Igor created an impressive mental image of Zheka before they met, and she sees what she believes: a first rate detective who collars bad guys, faces down danger, and is confident in gun fights, etc. Zheka is nervous around her because he knows her world is foreign to him and he is worried about making faux pas. I guess this is one of those situations in which we are meant to suspend disbelief, say "love makes people do crazy things", and accept that, for whatever reasons, she likes him.

As for Katia and Vika, I wasn't surprised that Katia picked up on Vika. I've seen women pick up on it right away when they see a woman who likes a guy but who hasn't said anything about it yet. I mean, I don't think women have super powers to sense another woman's interest level in a guy. But when one woman likes a man, isn't she acutely attuned to how other women look at him, act toward him, etc? My impression has always been that, on the whole, women are quicker to pick up on that then men are. And many of them get territorial; he's my man, keep your distance. -- Of course, Katia wasn't there very long, and I certainly didn't notice anything Vika did to tip her off. Maybe we are meant to believe something happened off camera, Vika looked at Igor a certain way, or she was watching to see how serious this relationship seemed. When they asked if she was his girlfriend, Katia was the one who spoke up and said yes. I would imagine she was monitoring the reaction of the only other woman there to see how the news affected her.

And I agree about Vika's sister. It seems like she is spinning one story after another to milk ever more money out of her sister. Though she may have been fooled initially, flags should have been raised by the way she kept coming up with money crises, "poor mouthing" as some put it.

"Hands up those who think there is nothing wrong with her and she is just being pimped by Vadim her boyfriend to screw money out of Vika."

My hand is raised high. I wonder if she and Vadim are just grifters or if they also have drug habits. Is that why she looks so sickly? I know that when they get the bad news about how badly they have been scammed, it will hit Vika like a ton of bricks. The whole lot of them will be angry as hell. Danila will probably go after Vadim and beat him senseless. Then he will have medical bills he can't pay.

I should have waited last night. I should have just slept until I was feeling alert. I remember the flashback sequence where they tried to explain Stas's miraculous revival in the ambulance, but I cannot recall Stas shooting Yana. I can't recall who Yana is right now. That is bad. I need to go back and watch that episode I thought I should have repeated. Turns out Stas was the one sending those postcards from Montenegro, playing mind games with Igor. Stas has been a bad apple from the start, and now has committed so many crimes, including murder. Stas needs to be dead, for real this time.

Yeah, people do stand there acting stupid for far too long in these action scenes, and it happens a lot, and not just in this show. Writers use this trope too much and are too obvious about it. They do it (I believe) to induce tension in the viewers, to make us sense the danger in our own bodies, and perhaps yell at the TV screen "move you idiot! Get out of the way!" When it is so obvious, thinking people like us notice it and become somewhat disgusted. I saw a scene which spoofed this trope in one of the Austin Powers movies. Some no name bad guy who was after Austin Powers froze as Powers very slowly ran him down with a steam roller. He was standing about 20 yards away, screaming in terror (for what seemed like a few minutes) while Powers drove that steam roller straight at him -at about 2 miles per hour. He could gone for coffee before it got there, but he stood frozen to the spot until Powers finally flattened him. --- Your natural instincts, your reflexes, would immediately put you to flight the instant you recognized the danger. But these people stand there long enough to say "oh no, I am in immediate danger of severe bodily harm. Gosh I don't like this. Whatever should I do?"

Yana was the personal assistant/secretary to bad guy - Igor promised her a lot of money if she would get information about the minority shareholders. She agreed and he arranged for her to come to the car park outside of his hotel in order to pass the money over and get the information - the name of which has gone right out of my head for the moment - those computer stick things. We see Stas dressed all in black hiding behind a pillar waiting for her - he telephones Igor and tells him he is going to kill her - Igor tries to warn her but he is too late. Stas shoots her through the head. Now Stas knows everything right? He even knows when and where she is going to turn up - but apparently he doesn't know enough to relieve her of that stick thing. The whole Stas back from the dead is ridiculous - how long was he in that apartment looking as dead as dodo? How long would it have taken the paramedics to get there - pronounce him dead - get him in the ambulance - get going - and Stas just lies there giving no sign of life - didn't the paramedics notice he was still breathing? Then a fake autopsy - fake funeral and passage out of the country. Then - this experience must have had a significant effect on his brain - turning him from a drug addled fun loving irresponsible idiot into a gun toting international hitman - the only reminder of his former self that idiotic grin that never seems to leave his face. And what is his beef with Igor - he was a friend who tried to get him to stop taking drugs in order to save his life. What you say about women picking up on other women is perfectly correct - but there has to be some hint to pick up on which I didn't see in that scene. I had a similar experience many years ago - my ring wouldn't come off my finger so I had to go to a jeweller to get it removed. He was a middle aged guy - reasonably attractive - and as he sat in front of me sawing through the ring I noticed the girl behind the counter staring at me somewhat balefully and I knew immediately that they were an item. There was quite an age difference so it wouldn't have been immediately apparent otherwise. I think Igor is baiting bad guy a bit too much - in real life bad guy would have stomped on him a long time ago. I was surprised at the Katya revelation although I suppose I should have expected it. In real life Danilo would have been sacked from the police force years ago - in fact if they have psych evals in Russia he would never have got in in the first place. What if all that instant anger and aggression were to be aimed at a suspect? With his lack of control Vika seriously wants to think how long it is going to take before it is directed at her. I wouldn't touch him with a barge pole. Vika's sister has gone seriously off the rails now - I expect Igor will be dipping into his piggy bank again before long.

I recall seeing her shot now, and Igor racing to get to her. I think that Stas has some tech wizard working for him who managed to hack into Igor's phone, allowing Stas to send texts which appear to come from Igor. It lets him read Igor's text messages also. That gives him a lot of information to work with. Yeah, the whole thing where Stas appeared to be dead and later revived in the ambulance was a very big stretch. There are drugs which can put a person in a state which resembles death. But if you don't breathe for as long as Stas apparently didn't, you ought to suffer brain damage. After about 4 minutes, unless your body is in very cold water, you are probably going to die. But maybe Stas had already killed so much of his brain that it no longer requires much oxygen to keep those 2 or 3 cells going. Maybe one deep breath can keep him going for hours... ;-)

I can't wait for Vika's sister to be found out. Igor sold his Ferrari and scraped together all his stacks of cash to pay for her 'treatment' in London. Vika almost sold her apartment to pay for it, and Danila has been shaking down crooks to give her money. Plus, Igor gave her even more through that phony award that Vika got. And still that little liar is scamming them for more. I don't imagine Vika will be sending her sister a Christmas card after she finds out.