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I kinda hope so too..though I keep hearing this one will have its similar share of problems. One can HOPE though. I really want the DCEU to succeed.

Me too. It's funny... I keep thinking that Marvel is supposed to be the vanguard of this genre, but DCEU is beating them to the punch in this area with WW coming before Ms. Marvel.

Nope, hope it flops harder than Ghostbusters.

Nothing so far leads me to believe Gal Godot is much of an actress. Perhaps she is, but the success of the film will depend heavily on her charisma. I'll admit I'm not much of a fan of superhero movies, so I probably shouldn't comment, but I see little from the trailers so far that indicates that Wonder Woman will be anything extraordinary.

Can't see it. They lost me after Suicide Squad. BvS was so lame. I had my hopes up high for Suicide Squad because it looked awesome. I thought well this is obviously going to be good. And then it wasn't. So that was it for me. Not one bit of excitement for any up and coming DC film.

Sidenote: It's unreal how beautiful Gal Gadot is.

@steb-4 said:

Can't see it. They lost me after Suicide Squad. BvS was so lame. I had my hopes up high for Suicide Squad because it looked awesome. I thought well this is obviously going to be good. And then it wasn't. So that was it for me. Not one bit of excitement for any up and coming DC film.

Sidenote: It's unreal how beautiful Gal Gadot is.

Yes, she is lovely. At least the film has that going for it.

I'm hoping it will be. And the movie will have my support. But I'm not holding my breath on the critical success of the movie. WB/DC can't seem to pull it off these days unless it's Batman...and Batman has become so tired. .

@CoolMan81 said:

I hope it is

Being a non comic book person, I'll say that this may be accepted by the critics solely due the fact that it's a female superhero and many critics will defend that regardless of the actual quality of the film itself and plus the added fact that there's so much pressure for this to be successful. Look at Ghostbusters as an example. Whether this will be reviewed objectively remains to be seem at this point.

Girls can't be superheroes.

I hope Wonder Woman does well. I'm looking forward to seeing it. I used to watch the Wonder Woman tv series starring Lynda Carter in the 70s. It was one of my favourite shows.

Lynda Carter was pretty hot back in the day...

@CoolMan81 said:

I hope it is

If WB wants their DC-related flicks to be "accepted by critics," the best place to start would be to try to actually make one that was worth a damn, something they haven't even attempted yet. I spent years ranting against WB for sitting on the Wonder Woman property--agitating for a WW movie, shaming the studio suits for failing to do so and they've managed to not only entirely kill my interest in this one, once it did get underway, they've made me increasingly hostile to it. You'd find better actresses than Gal Gadot in any random high-school theater production and though she mollifies the fantasies of those who always dreamed of seeing Wonder Woman played by a pretty 10-year-old boy, she is, by any sane estimation, one of the worst cases of Hollywood miscasting since the Duke played Genghis Khan. I'd say "hope for the best," but there's absolutely nothing about this project that does anything but go out of its way to utterly murder hope, kill its family, poison its dog and burn down its house.

well, there is at least one bad review: https://letterboxd.com/jvince/film/wonder-woman-2017/1/

The issue with dc is they haven't taken their time to actually try and make a good film since the Nolan era. Giving such a bland director like Zack Snyder the keys to the entire Dc universe is where they went wrong. Also bringing Batman back to the big screen so quickly was a mistake.

Batman had a good trilogy they needed to let him rest for a while. Spider-Man had that same problem. Over saturation of anything is bad. Wonder Woman is at least a somewhat fresher hero in this day and age. However I hold little to no hope. Man of steel, Bvs dawn of justice and suicide squad all were bad. They are 0/3 so far.

@Tectash said:

The issue with dc is they haven't taken their time to actually try and make a good film since the Nolan era.

It's bigger than that. Warner Brothers has a very long-term problem with simply not knowing how to do these sorts of flicks. It has persisted throughout several different regimes there for decades. We're 17 years into the major boom in comic book movie adaptations--it began with BLADE back in 1998--to which WB, which owns some of the most iconic superheroes ever created, has contributed almost nothing of any merit. Wonder Woman has been launched as a screen project perhaps half a dozen times since the '90s, every effort falling apart. With the exception of a proposed tv series from a few years ago that made it to pilot stage then failed, there hadn't been a live-action Wonder Woman since the last original episode of the Lynda Carter tv series aired in 1979. Joss Whedon's effort to create a WW feature were cold-shouldered by the studio suits until he finally left, went over to Marvel and wrote and directed THE AVENGERS, which made $1.5 billion. For 10 years, WB tried to jump the gun by producing a Justice League movie to introduce a DC cinematic universe without first introducing the individual characters; each attempt has fallen apart. I can't speak for the 2nd installment in the Nolan Batman flicks, which is the film on which that trilogy's reputation seems to rest, but the 1st and 3rd Nolan Batmans were godawful messes. Both GREEN LANTERN (2011) and JONAH HEX (2010) made it to the screen as utter clusterfucks. It's little-remembered now but GREEN LANTERN was supposed to be the beginning of the DCEU; this was abandoned after it flopped. Warner spent years developing then abandoning one Superman project after another around ideas so bad it's difficult to believe they were ever even seriously considered. Eventually, there emerged SUPERMAN RETURNS, which rejected the suggested radical revisions but had a raft of problems all its own. Intended to reboot the franchise, the film proved a dull and terribly misguided project that, after a disappointing reception, was also abandoned. Warner went back to some of those godawful ideas from prior revisionist projects and ground out the abomination that was MAN OF STEEL, which, among other things, tried to ape the Nolan Batflicks by adopting an inappropriately dark tone and turning Superman into a brooding anti-hero. The character, which had no more than superficial connections to any prior version of Superman, was dropped into a brainless, explosion-filled idiot-fest and, of course, Warner decided to use the film as the basis for their newest effort at a DC cinematic universe. It was reported that when WB executives watched BATMAN V. SUPERMAN, they thought they had a great movie on their hands. Don't know if that's true--they scheduled the movie in a traditional dead-zone instead of in the middle of Summer, which doesn't exactly bespeak confidence--but it sounds about right. On these projects, the executives at WB don't know WTF they're doing and pretty much never have.

Giving such a bland director like Zack Snyder the keys to the entire Dc universe is where they went wrong.

Definitely a major wrong turn, as was having no one on board who understood or cared about the material and then they scheduled so many movies in such a short period that there was no easy opportunity to course-correct. All of the behind-the-scenes reporting said Snyder would have been fired from JUSTICE LEAGUE after the poor reception of BATMAN V. SUPERMAN but production was already too far along to do so without risking harming BVS's box-office. Extensive studio meddling in SUICIDE SQUAD in the wake of BVS destroyed anything of merit that movie may have offered (not much, in my view--the take on the material was fundamentally misguided, a creative abortion). The Justice League project was originally going to be a two-parter directed by Snyder; WB canceled the second one. If reports are true about JUSTICE LEAGUE's budget, it will probably be the most expensive movie ever made and that was before any of the later work on it. The studio suits were so entirely unimpressed with the original that they went reshoot crazy. Reportedly, the reshoots were so extensive that they essentially remade the movie. And there's still another round of reshoots to come before its release later this year.

The production history of WONDER WOMAN is also troubled. As with most of the other projects, no one knew what to do with it. The suits hired five writers/writing teams. Not to work together on a script but to work on competing scripts--a first act from each, with the idea that the suits would choose what they liked best. The film was stuck with Zack Snyder's Wonder Woman, an horrific piece of miscasting. Michelle MacLaren ,the original director of the project, was run off of it because she wanted to do a large-scale epic, whereas the studio wanted to play it cheap and keep the budget to $100 million. After she left, she was smeared by an ugly whisper campaign. Patti Jenkins took the reins and the studio then opened its bank account; WW's initially-reported budget is already at $120 million and everyone seems pretty sure it's significantly more than that (it's gone through the nope-don't-like-it-let's-reshoot-it thing too).

Whatever the final budget--it certainly wouldn't have escalated into the $200 million range, for example--it would be almost impossible for the movie to fail at the box-office. Which is sort of the problem, really. If it's yet another bad movie like the other DCEU flicks, that's a recipe for diminishing returns.

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