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Reported Problem for Kaamelott
posted by superboy97STAFFMOD on February 1, 2021 at 6:50 AM
Item: Kaamelott
Language: fr-FR
Type of Problem: Incorrect_content
Extra Details: The currently listed episodes are based on the DVD order and not the first broadcast order.
For the 1st season, Wikipedia list only the DVD order:
Thanks to the Inathèque, I have been able to recover nearly all the airdates.
I just have a problem with 2 dates. They are :
26 mars 2005 : 21 minutes of Kaamelott
23 april 2005 : 18 minutes of Kaamelott
We don't know which episodes have been aired on these 2 dates.
The episodes of the 1st season that don't have an individual airdates are :
Le Repos du guerrier
La Dent de requin
La Potion de fécondité
L’Assassin de Kaamelott
Le Oud
La Jupe de Calogrenant
La Blessure mortelle
Agnus Dei
La Vraie Nature du Graal
These episodes may have aired during the above 2 periods.
Based on the Inathèque, here is the correct first broadcast order of the other episodes (All the dates are in the form day/month in the year 2005) :
03/01 Heat
04/01 Monogame
05/01 Tel un chevalier
06/01 Létal
07/01 Des nouvelles du monde
08/01 Les Tartes aux myrtilles
08/01 De retour de Judée
08/01 Décibels nocturnes
08/01 Un bruit dans la nuit
10/01 Eunuques et Chauds Lapins
11/01 La Kleptomane
12/01 Le Billet doux
13/01 Guenièvre et l’Orage
14/01 Retour de campagne
15/01 Ambidextrie
17/01 À la volette
18/01 La Pâte d’amande
19/01 Le Négociateur
20/01 Les Fesses de Guenièvre
21/01 Azénor
22/01 Le Banquet des chefs
22/01 Le Discobole
22/01 L’Interprète
22/01 Dîner dansant
22/01 Basidiomycètes
22/01 Raison d’argent
24/01 L’Éclaireur
25/01 Le Trois de cœur
26/01 En forme de Graal
27/01 Gladiator
28/01 Le Garde du corps
29/01 Les Clandestins
29/01 Le Coup d’épée
29/01 La Visite d’Ygerne
29/01 La Retraite
29/01 La Table de Breccan
29/01 Unagi
31/01 Arthur et les Ténèbres
01/02 Feu l’âne de Guethenoc
02/02 L’Imposteur
03/02 Le Chaudron rutilant
05/02 Le Signe
05/02 Vox populi
05/02 Polymorphie
05/02 Le Cas Yvain
05/02 Choc frontal
05/02 La Botte secrète
05/02 Le Dernier Empereur
05/02 Perceval relance de quinze
05/02 Les Défis de Merlin
07/02 La Queue du scorpion
10/02 Le Code de chevalerie
11/02 Un roi à la taverne
12/02 Codes et Stratégies
12/02 Le Serpent géant
12/02 Guenièvre et les Oiseaux
12/02 Les Volontaires
12/02 L’Expurgation de Merlin
12/02 Le Maître d’armes
19/02 Le Pain
19/02 Le Sixième Sens
19/02 La Romance de Lancelot
19/02 La Mort le Roy Artu
19/02 La Coccinelle de Madenn
19/02 Les Nouveaux Frères
26/02 Goustan le Cruel
26/02 Le Fléau de Dieu
26/02 Le Secret de Lancelot
26/02 La Taxe militaire
26/02 Arthur et la Question
26/02 Le Prodige du fakir
05/03 Merlin et les Loups
05/03 Lacrimosa
05/03 Le Sacrifice
05/03 La Fureur du dragon
12/03 La Grotte de Padraig
12/03 La Quête des deux renards
12/03 Haunted
12/03 Le Sort de rage
12/03 La Fête de l’hiver
14/03 Patience dans la plaine
15/03 Le Forage
19/03 Le Dragon des tunnels
19/03 L’Escorte
19/03 Le Zoomorphe
22/03 Le Chevalier mystère
30/03 Enluminures
08/04 L’Adoubement
12/04 Le Tourment
14/04 Le Problème du chou
26/04 Compagnons de chambrée
For the 2nd season, Wikipedia list 2 episodes orders:
The first is presented as the TV broadcast order
The second is presented as the DVD order
The list currently here is the 2nd one (the DVD order).
I have checked the first list with the Inathèque. It appears that the first broadcast was done in multi-episodes blocs on Saturdays.
The first 2 blocs are :
07/05 containing:
18:34 Le Portrait
18:38 L’Enlèvement de Guenièvre
18:42 Les Exploités
18:46 Le Terroriste
18:49 Séli et les Rongeurs
18:53 Le Rassemblement du corbeau
18:56 Unagi II
14/05 containing:
18:26 L’Escorte II
18:30 L’Ambition
18:33 Silbury Hill
18:37 Le Reclassement
18:40 Sous les verrous
18:44 Plus près de Toi
18:47 La Vigilance d’Arthur
18:51 Immaculé Karadoc
18:54 Le Monde d’Arthur
We have 2 main problems here:
This order is not the same as the broadcast order listed on Wikipedia.
The detail of the episodes aired in the next episodes blocs is not listed on the Inathèque. For example, for the 21 of May, the only available information is that there was 32 minutes of Kaamelott: 21/05 and so on...
We have to wait for September to find again the episode details inside the bloc: 03/09 but, at that moment they are already reairing.
Between May and September, we have episodes blocs like this without details nearly every Saturday.
There are also episodes listed individually but:
for one part, they are reairing (the ones that are aired in the morning during the "C'est pas trop tôt !" slot
for the others, its impossible to know if its a new episode or a reairing, as we are missing the content of the blocs.
For the 3rd season, Wikipedia list also 2 episodes orders:
The first is presented as the TV broadcast order (the broadcast is listed as starting on the 09/01, but no source is indicated.
The second is presented as the DVD order
The list currently here is the 2nd one (the DVD order).
On the 14/01 and 21/01 there are 2 blocs of Kaamelott episodes of respectively 40 and 42 minutes without the details of the episode. I think that they include the following episodes that aren't part of the next episodes blocs and was broadcast again in the morning at the end of January and the start of February :
14/01 18:20 Le Chevalier errant (for this one, this should be the real first broadcast)
20/01 Morituri
23/01 L’Aveu de Bohort
24/01 Le Renfort magique
25/01 Le Porte-bonheur
26/01 Le Magnanime
27/01 Le Combat des chefs
30/01 Le Sanglier de Cornouailles
31/01 Le Fléau de Dieu II
01/02 Le Professionnel
02/02 Le Tournoi
03/02 La Potion de vivacité
06/02 Les Derniers Outrages
07/02 Unagi III
08/02 Séfriane d’Aquitaine
09/02 Ablutions
10/02 Saponides et Détergents
13/02 Perceval chante Sloubi
14/02 Les Affranchis
16/02 Le Dialogue de paix II
But, we don't know in which order this episodes were exactly broadcasted. We can't assume the order of the Wikipedia page as we see with the next episodes that it have the correct order of the episodes blocs but not the correct order of the episodes in each blocs. We can't even take in account the order in which they were rebradcast in the morning as they are not always rebroadcast in the same order than the original broadcast.
The following episodes have an air date and time confirmed by the Inathèque:
28/01 18:23 La Poétique
28/01 18:26 La Poétique II
28/01 18:30 Cryda de Tintagel
28/01 18:34 Le Trouble
28/01 18:43 Le Déserteur
28/01 18:47 Silbury Hill II
28/01 18:50 Le Petit Poucet
28/01 18:54 Le Repos du guerrier II
28/01 18:58 L’Ivresse II
28/01 19:02 Les Suppléants
04/02 18:15 La Pierre de Lune
04/02 18:19 Les Cousins
04/02 18:22 La Potion de vérité
04/02 18:26 Les Clous de la Sainte Croix
04/02 18:36 L’Ankou
04/02 18:40 Guenièvre et Euripide
04/02 18:44 Dream On
04/02 18:51 La Cassette II
04/02 18:47 Arthur sensei
04/02 18:55 Legenda
11/02 18:14 La Menace fantôme
11/02 18:17 La Révolte II
11/02 18:21 La Nuit du nomade
11/02 18:25 Mission
11/05 18:34 Les Paris II
18/02 18:26 L’Abstinent
18/02 18:29 Feue la poule de Guethenoc
18/02 18:33 Les Festivités
18/02 18:37 La Corne d’abondance
18/02 18:47 Au Bonheur des Dames
18/02 18:51 La Coopération
18/02 18:54 Cuisine et Dépendances
18/02 18:58 Aux yeux de tous II
25/02 18:25 L’Empressée
25/02 18:29 Haunted II
25/02 18:33 La Ronde II
25/02 18:37 L’Arche de transport
25/02 18:46 La Crypte maléfique
25/02 18:50 La Baliste
25/02 18:53 Le Tourment III
25/02 18:57 Les Tourelles
04/03 18:19 L’Attaque nocturne
04/03 18:24 Arthur in Love II
04/03 18:28 Le Tribut
04/03 18:31 La Potion de fécondité II
04/03 18:36 La Restriction II
04/03 18:40 Witness
04/03 18:43 Les Auditeurs libres
04/03 18:47 La Fête de l’hiver II
04/03 18:51 La Baraka
04/03 18:55 La Grande Bataille
10/03 20:40 Le Mangonneau
10/03 20:44 Sous les verrous II
11/03 18:25 Alone in the Dark
11/03 18:29 L’Espion
11/03 18:36 Stargate II
11/03 18:40 Raison d’argent II
11/03 18:48 Le Justicier
11/03 18:52 Le Vulgarisateur
18/03 18:17 La Chevalerie
18/03 18:20 L’Insomniaque
18/03 18:24 L’Assemblée des rois 1re partie
18/03 18:28 L’Assemblée des rois 2e partie
18/03 18:33 Le Mauvais Augure
18/03 18:37 Le Médiateur
18/03 18:41 Le Baiser romain
18/03 18:45 Le Culte secret
18/03 18:48 L’Étudiant
18/03 18:51 La Veillée
Unfortunately, we don't have the details of the 25/03 bloc. The following episodes aired separately later in the morning, they maybe new broadcast of the episodes of this bloc:
11/04 Le Législateur
12/04 Les Défis de Merlin II
13/04 Hollow Man
14/04 Le Trophée
18/04 La Dispute 1re partie
19/04 La Dispute 2e partie
15/05 Les Cheveux noirs
16/05 La Pythie
17/05 Poltergeist
18/05 Le Solitaire
19/05 Le Jour d’Alexandre
But, we have the same problem as for the first 2 blocs, we don't know in which order the were initially broadcast.
For the 4th season, Wikipedia list also 2 episodes orders:
The first is presented as the TV broadcast order
The second is presented as the DVD order
The list currently here is the 2nd one (the DVD order).
Based on Wikipedia, the broadcast took place each evening by blocs of 2 episodes, except for the "Le Désordre et la Nuit" episode which is double-length. Wikipedia (in its note 3) refers to IMDB for its source for the TV order of this season.
Based on the Inathèque, the broadcast took place in episodes blocs each Saturday evening and the episodes were individually broadcasted again in the "Morning Cafe" emission during the morning (not necessarily in the original order).
It's a pity, but the Inathèque doesn't provide the details of the episodes broadcasted in the 40 minutes blocs.
The first ones are here:
16/09 (34 minutes)
23/09 "Tous les matins du monde : 2ème partie"
30/09 (42 minutes)
07/10 (43 minutes)
14/10 (43 minutes). For this bloc, we have the content:
18:16 La Révolte III
18:20 Le Rapport
18:24 L’Art de la table
18:27 Les Novices
18:37 Les Refoulés
18:41 Les Tuteurs II
18:44 Le Tourment IV
18:48 Le Rassemblement du corbeau II
18:51 Le Grand Départ
18:55 La Clandestine
21/10 (44 minutes)
28/10 (43 minutes)
04/11 (43 minutes)
11/11 (39 minutes)
18/11 (39 minutes)
25/11 (39 minutes)
The 5th season has been broadcasted consecutively in 2 formats:
4 x 52 minutes (shortened version)
50 x 7 minutes (complete version)
The first half of the season was aired at the following dates (all dates are in the form day/month in the year 2007):
52 minutes version:
Based on Wikipedia, the 7 minutes version was broadcasted starting on May 1st 2007. On the Inathèque, we have some episodes blocs but very few have a detailed content. The known dates are listed below:
Les RepentantsMiserere nobisLe Dernier RecoursLes Nouveaux ClansLa SorcièreL’Épée des roisCorvus corone09/06 Le Périple
09/06 La Démission
19/05, 09/06 Les Recruteurs
19/05, 16/06 Hurlements
16/06 La Roche et le Fer
16/06 Les Dauphins
16/06 Væ soli !
16/06 Les Aquitains
23/06 Les Fruits d’hiver
23/06 Les Exilés
23/06 Perceval de Sinope
23/06 Les Nocturnales
23/06 Les Rivales
30/06 Aux yeux de tous III
30/06 La Promesse
30/06 Le Forfait
09/06, 30/06 Le Dernier Jour
09/06, 30/06 L’Élu
The second half of the season was aired at the following dates (all dates are in the form day/month in the year 2007):
52 minutes version:
Based on Wikipedia, the 7 minutes version was broadcasted starting on November 6 2007. On the Inathèque, we have some episodes blocs but very few have a detailed content. The very few known dates are listed below:
Le Royaume sans têteLe JurisconsulteExsecutorLe Substitut17/11 L’Avènement du Sanguinaire
17/11 Les Sentinelles
L’Odyssée d’ArthurDomi nostræLa SuppliqueLes EmbusquésLa NourriceLes TranshumantsJizôUnagi VLes PionniersLa ConspiratriceLe DestituéLe PhareLe GuideAntonLes ItinérantsLe garçon qui criait au loupLe Théâtre fantômeLe Retour du roi15/12 La Rivière souterraine
So, to respect our rules, only the 4 episodes of 52 minutes should be listed for this 5th season.
The listing of the 6th (last) season is correct : 3 Saturdays with 3 episodes of 50 minutes each time.
What should we do ?
For the 5th season, the situation is relatively clear. In my opinion, the 4 x 52 minutes is the first version broadcasted, and the 50 small episodes are duplicates.
But, for the first 4 seasons, we only have partial data about the first broadcast order. Should we kept the DVD order in the meantime ?