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I have seen Prometheus and understood that the engineers lived there, but I unfortunately took a bathroom break and returned while they were showing the engineers turning to stone. What happened? Thanks

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@intothenightalone said:

I have seen Prometheus and understood that the engineers lived there, but I unfortunately took a bathroom break and returned while they were showing the engineers turning to stone. What happened? Thanks

POSSIBLE SPOILERS, GLEANED LARGELY FROM TRAILERS (I won't be mentioning things that have not been revealed in the trailer, though I've familiarized myself with the movie from spoiler-ish reviews.)

Assuming you're serious, you're talking about two different planets (three if you want to include the planet from Alien.)

LV-223. Prometheus. This is kind of a biological weapons depot/research facility where the Engineers are presumed to have stored great amounts of the "black goo." It's a biological agent that can either mutate the infected person/entity or grow a creature inside them. (It really is a fantastic "do anything we want it to" tool for writers isn't it?)

Paradise. Alien Covenant. This is supposedly the Engineers' homeworld or at least a major, major population center for them. A large group of Engineers was depicted in one of the prologue trailers that has been released so far. Again, all we know is that Engineers USED to exist here, but that an event depicted in the film will reveal why they no longer exist on the planet.

LV-226. Alien/Aliens. This is an entirely separate planet also known as "Acheron" (geek alert!) that was discovered after the crew of the Nostromo received a signal they later found out was a warning, broadcast from a crashed Engineer ship ("The Derelict"). The only aliens came from the egg sacs stored in the cargo area of the downed ship. Before Prometheus, we didn't even know that the "Space Jockey" was a giant albino dude in a space suit. We always thought it was an elephantine alien that for some reason is twice the size of any Engineer, and deeply fossilized. (Maybe the swell up like a balloon when they die and fuse with their suit? /sarcasm.)

Hope that answers it.

@intothenightalone said:

I have seen Prometheus and understood that the engineers lived there, but I unfortunately took a bathroom break and returned while they were showing the engineers turning to stone. What happened? Thanks

I'm going to answer in a hopefully spoiler free manner, but just in case... SPOILERS!!!! During a flash back, David explains/shows that he dropped thousands of urns of black goo on the populace from the ship he and Shaw escaped lv-223 with and this killed them all... That's about it.

@AlienFanatic said:

@intothenightalone said:

I have seen Prometheus and understood that the engineers lived there, but I unfortunately took a bathroom break and returned while they were showing the engineers turning to stone. What happened? Thanks

POSSIBLE SPOILERS, GLEANED LARGELY FROM TRAILERS (I won't be mentioning things that have not been revealed in the trailer, though I've familiarized myself with the movie from spoiler-ish reviews.)

Assuming you're serious, you're talking about two different planets (three if you want to include the planet from Alien.)

LV-223. Prometheus. This is kind of a biological weapons depot/research facility where the Engineers are presumed to have stored great amounts of the "black goo." It's a biological agent that can either mutate the infected person/entity or grow a creature inside them. (It really is a fantastic "do anything we want it to" tool for writers isn't it?)

Paradise. Alien Covenant. This is supposedly the Engineers' homeworld or at least a major, major population center for them. A large group of Engineers was depicted in one of the prologue trailers that has been released so far. Again, all we know is that Engineers USED to exist here, but that an event depicted in the film will reveal why they no longer exist on the planet.

LV-226. Alien/Aliens. This is an entirely separate planet also known as "Acheron" (geek alert!) that was discovered after the crew of the Nostromo received a signal they later found out was a warning, broadcast from a crashed Engineer ship ("The Derelict"). The only aliens came from the egg sacs stored in the cargo area of the downed ship. Before Prometheus, we didn't even know that the "Space Jockey" was a giant albino dude in a space suit. We always thought it was an elephantine alien that for some reason is twice the size of any Engineer, and deeply fossilized. (Maybe the swell up like a balloon when they die and fuse with their suit? /sarcasm.)

Hope that answers it.

I know you meant lv-426... Right? wink

Hope his/her bathroom break wasn't four movies long. But really nice to see there are still some serious Alienists out there thirty years later. :)

Thanks! I'm getting a memory from Prometheus that the planet was more a military testing base. So if David dropped the goo had he generated the population or were they there? Thanks

@intothenightalone said:

Thanks! I'm getting a memory from Prometheus that the planet was more a military testing base. So if David dropped the goo had he generated the population or were they there? Thanks

They were already there. They are seen cheering the return of the juggernaut and as it docks he 'bombs' them.

So David killed off the population because they didn't deserve to live on like the humans?

@bluersun said:

@AlienFanatic said:

@intothenightalone said:

I have seen Prometheus and understood that the engineers lived there, but I unfortunately took a bathroom break and returned while they were showing the engineers turning to stone. What happened? Thanks

POSSIBLE SPOILERS, GLEANED LARGELY FROM TRAILERS (I won't be mentioning things that have not been revealed in the trailer, though I've familiarized myself with the movie from spoiler-ish reviews.)

Assuming you're serious, you're talking about two different planets (three if you want to include the planet from Alien.)

LV-223. Prometheus. This is kind of a biological weapons depot/research facility where the Engineers are presumed to have stored great amounts of the "black goo." It's a biological agent that can either mutate the infected person/entity or grow a creature inside them. (It really is a fantastic "do anything we want it to" tool for writers isn't it?)

Paradise. Alien Covenant. This is supposedly the Engineers' homeworld or at least a major, major population center for them. A large group of Engineers was depicted in one of the prologue trailers that has been released so far. Again, all we know is that Engineers USED to exist here, but that an event depicted in the film will reveal why they no longer exist on the planet.

LV-226. Alien/Aliens. This is an entirely separate planet also known as "Acheron" (geek alert!) that was discovered after the crew of the Nostromo received a signal they later found out was a warning, broadcast from a crashed Engineer ship ("The Derelict"). The only aliens came from the egg sacs stored in the cargo area of the downed ship. Before Prometheus, we didn't even know that the "Space Jockey" was a giant albino dude in a space suit. We always thought it was an elephantine alien that for some reason is twice the size of any Engineer, and deeply fossilized. (Maybe the swell up like a balloon when they die and fuse with their suit? /sarcasm.)

Hope that answers it.

I know you meant lv-426... Right? wink

Hehe oops. Yup.

@intothenightalone said:

So David killed off the population because they didn't deserve to live on like the humans?

I'm not really sure why he killed them, I can't remember if it's explained... Maybe someone else can help...?

@bluersun said:

@intothenightalone said:

So David killed off the population because they didn't deserve to live on like the humans?

I'm not really sure why he killed them, I can't remember if it's explained... Maybe someone else can help...?

I'm on my mobile so linking to YouTube is a pain, but Ridley Scott was interviewed about this. The explanation is that David was disappointed in humans and because humans were created by similarly flawed aliens (engineers) he feels that they should all be destroyed.

The idea that AI would turn on its creators isn't very original, but Ridley seems to like the idea. ( Which is why, apparently, he's making delicate connections to Blade Runner as well. Yeah.)

Do a YouTube search for "Ridley Scott David kill engineers" and I bet you'll find it.

Well I don't know if he got them all anyway... A whole-planet worth of 'engineers' in one fairly small area... Ok planetoid maybe, but even so...!?

@bluersun said:

I'm going to answer in a hopefully spoiler free manner, but just in case... SPOILERS!!!! During a flash back, David explains/shows that he dropped thousands of urns of black goo on the populace from the ship he and Shaw escaped lv-223 with and this killed them all... That's about it.

So all those "Engineers" never bothered to check on LV-223 (or LV-426 for that matter) for 2000 years because... plot?

Geeze.

@bluersun said:

Well I don't know if he got them all anyway... A whole-planet worth of 'engineers' in one fairly small area... Ok planetoid maybe, but even so...!?

We know that he did not get them all - or it would seem so, as we meet a dead one in Alien (1979) who carries David's eggs.

I got the sense that those Engineers were not really the engineers we met in Prometheus

Firstly, they were human size, so quite different. Secondly, they seemed to live in void of any technology. And thirdly, the movie make it quite a point to tell us their planet has “earth” wheat, though of a very old variety…. Why?

My theory is that this planet is just another outpost or experiment. The first outpost was of military purpose, and this one is for farming purpose and those tending this were kept almost like slaves or at least under dominant control. Or perhaps they were just another Earth like experiment? Apart from no technology, they also seemed to worship the larger engineers quite a bit (explains why they greeted David with such awe when he docked to let it rain black goo on them).

In the end, David exterminated a planet of less importance to the big picture. And besides we know the Space Jockeys to transport David's egg creations later on, so regardless his massive attack was not final and I dare say not important.

It could be a case of a caste system within the specie, where the taller breed are the Gods and the smaller are forced to live as peasants without technology.

@HAL 9010' said:

@bluersun said:

Well I don't know if he got them all anyway... A whole-planet worth of 'engineers' in one fairly small area... Ok planetoid maybe, but even so...!?

We know that he did not get them all - or it would seem so, as we meet a dead one in Alien (1979) who carries David's eggs.

I got the sense that those Engineers were not really the engineers we met in Prometheus

Firstly, they were human size, so quite different. Secondly, they seemed to live in void of any technology. And thirdly, the movie make it quite a point to tell us their planet has “earth” wheat, though of a very old variety…. Why?

My theory is that this planet is just another outpost or experiment. The first outpost was of military purpose, and this one is for farming purpose and those tending this were kept almost like slaves or at least under dominant control. Or perhaps they were just another Earth like experiment? Apart from no technology, they also seemed to worship the larger engineers quite a bit (explains why they greeted David with such awe when he docked to let it rain black goo on them).

In the end, David exterminated a planet of less importance to the big picture. And besides we know the Space Jockeys to transport David's egg creations later on, so regardless his massive attack was not final and I dare say not important.

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