Is the part where we are supposed to debate with you? Lol

@april422 said:

Is the part where we are supposed to debate with you? Lol

If you want to, of course. Or are you just being obnoxious?

Sci-fi tip duly noted. I won't call it a cyborg anymore.

@Jetfire59 said:

Ask any long-term science fiction fan. A true cyborg cannot survive without its organic components. The end sequence of this film shows that T-800 can obviously go right on without his skin.

This is one of the little things that can be blamed on the ignorance of the characters of the movie if not the movie creators themselves.

@shallowhal said:

@Jetfire59 said:

Ask any long-term science fiction fan. A true cyborg cannot survive without its organic components. The end sequence of this film shows that T-800 can obviously go right on without his skin.

This is one of the little things that can be blamed on the ignorance of the characters of the movie if not the movie creators themselves.

the T-800 self identifies as one in T2. you'd think _he _ would know, out of anyone...

@BarkingBaphomet said:

@shallowhal said:

@Jetfire59 said:

Ask any long-term science fiction fan. A true cyborg cannot survive without its organic components. The end sequence of this film shows that T-800 can obviously go right on without his skin.

This is one of the little things that can be blamed on the ignorance of the characters of the movie if not the movie creators themselves.

the T-800 self identifies as one in T2. you'd think _he _ would know, out of anyone...

Sorry, RAM problem, blame Dave.

@Jetfire59 said:

@april422 said:

Is the part where we are supposed to debate with you? Lol

If you want to, of course. Or are you just being obnoxious?

No. I just think that your topic is obnoxious. Out of everything in this movie, you chose this topic. If you say the Terminator isn't a cyborg, then what would you say it is? I saw the othed poster say it is an android but what do you think?

@april422 said:

@Jetfire59 said:

@april422 said:

Is the part where we are supposed to debate with you? Lol

If you want to, of course. Or are you just being obnoxious?

No. I just think that your topic is obnoxious. Out of everything in this movie, you chose this topic. If you say the Terminator isn't a cyborg, then what would you say it is? I saw the othed poster say it is an android but what do you think?

I thought this is what these boards are meant for. Believe me, there are far more tedious items that have come up over the years. Sorry if my thread irritated you, but you are the only one who has responded negatively.. I'm with the "Android" camp. An android wrapped in living tissue which obviously had to get its power to stay alive from the endoskeleton. However, the endoskeleton can remain fully operational without it.

@BarkingBaphomet has mentioned that the T-800 self-identified as a cybernetic organism. Here's a youtube snippet.

So, the issue is not whether the audience started using the term for the T-800 out of nowhere - it's in the script.

Now, if you're saying the script made a mistake in failing to recognize what may be some kind of known sci-fi standard, well, hey, that's an argument ("an opinion based on facts").

However, given self-aware cyborgs with free will don't exist, we're still talking about fiction. And, it may just be that the writers of Terminator franchise created a universe in which they've redefined what a "cyborg" is, and that's fair.

Look at the variety with which another fictitious thing - zombies - can be portrayed and interpreted. Some lurch slowly, some are quite quick...etc. As a matter of fact, The Walking Dead TV show is set in a universe in which there never was a George Romero zombie concept at all, so TWD zombies pay no homage to what Romero had established. And that's okay - Romero does not own a patent on the concept of zombies, nor did he just emulate whatever had been established before him. Fiction is, after all, about creativity and, as such, as long as a franchise stays relatively consistent with the laws and rules of its own universe, they're pretty much free to make stuff up.

@Jetfire59 said:

@april422 said:

@Jetfire59 said:

@april422 said:

Is the part where we are supposed to debate with you? Lol

If you want to, of course. Or are you just being obnoxious?

No. I just think that your topic is obnoxious. Out of everything in this movie, you chose this topic. If you say the Terminator isn't a cyborg, then what would you say it is? I saw the othed poster say it is an android but what do you think?

I thought this is what these boards are meant for. Believe me, there are far more tedious items that have come up over the years. Sorry if my thread irritated you, but you are the only one who has responded negatively.. I'm with the "Android" camp. An android wrapped in living tissue which obviously had to get its power to stay alive from the endoskeleton. However, the endoskeleton can remain fully operational without it.

Both are robots, but the terminator is a cyborg. An android is a synthetic humanoid. For "argument's sake", that means an android does not have living tissue and would be destroyed by fire. Cyborgs have living tissue over a metal exoskeleton. That is how the terminator survived after it's flesh was burned off although their metal exoskeleton can break, be crushed or melt at very high temperatures. There are androids in the Alien movies and The Terminator movies have cyborgs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVCtkzIXYzQ

@mechajutaro said:

Ask any long-term science fiction fan. A true cyborg cannot survive without its organic components. The end sequence of this film shows that T-800 can obviously go right on without his skin.

Appreciate the heads up, even if you are a lil' late to the party; Wikipedia has for some time noted that the machines in The Terminator films are actually androids, not cyborgs. Except for John Connor in T5, if anyone is unfortunate enough to remember that gut churning production

When John Connor calls the T800 a robot in T2, Arnold corrects him saying "cybernetic organism". Cyborg is short for that, so I guess Cyberdyne systems used a different definition of cybernetic organism.

@april422 said:

Cyborgs have living tissue over a metal exoskeleton.

Can it really be called an exoskeleton when its inside the body? Wouldn't it be an endoskeleton?

@Innovator said:

@april422 said:

Cyborgs have living tissue over a metal exoskeleton.

Can it really be called an exoskeleton when its inside the body? Wouldn't it be an endoskeleton?

Quite correct, Innovator.

@Jetfire59 said:

@Innovator said:

@april422 said:

Cyborgs have living tissue over a metal exoskeleton.

Can it really be called an exoskeleton when its inside the body? Wouldn't it be an endoskeleton?

Quite correct, Innovator.

Actually, not necessarily. As far as SkyNet is concerned, their cyborgs are complete before the outer skin goes on. As such, before the skins go on, the exoskeleton is outside the body, and all its internal components are within it. Seen in this light, it's rather more chilling, because it does not at all factor the living tissue as a key part of its makeup.

Imagine, then, any other critter with an "exoskeleton" then putting on a costume. That costume is NOT a part of its body, its physiochemical functioning...it's just clothes for lack of a better term.