he said that there were no secrets between them, i.e. jim and aurora...

@Renovatio said:

he said that there were no secrets between them, i.e. jim and aurora...

Yes. That was my impression as well.

@Renovatio said:

he said that there were no secrets between them, i.e. jim and aurora...

This was one of my favorite scenes in the film. You just get lost in the distraction of how well things are going, then as soon as Jim says the words and excuses himself to the bathroom you know what's coming next! Then the robot take the comment (white lie?) literally and BAM! The payoff. I think I literally said out loud, "Oh no!" lol

The bartender, being an artificial intelligence, takes things at face value. It can't 'read between the lines' like we can so when Jim said "We have no secrets!" after previously telling the bartender a secret it computed that instruction as "We are no longer hiding the fact he unfroze her."

We humans regularly tell white lies, as Daddie0 stated, but to a logical, rules-based system like a computer our human way of existence would quickly confuse a machine.

Yeah, it's sort of in his programming to not tell a lie.

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But Jim asks the bartender directly to allow him to be the one to tell her that he woke her though.

@MrCharmingMan said:

But Jim asks the bartender directly to allow him to be the one to tell her that he woke her though.

Correct, but the exchange goes something like this:

Jim (casually): "We don't have any secrets."

Bartender: "None at all?"

Jim: "Nope. I gotta hit the head!"

It is fair now for the robot to logically believe that Jim has already told her. In fact I think when he tells her it's not so much that he's telling her but that he's glad she wasn't upset when she found out. Doesn't he say something like, "I think it's great that you aren't upset that Jim woke you. You guys make a great couple." Or something like that? I haven't seen it in some time, but that's how I remember it going down. A classic setup and payoff, if a bit predictable.

Well it seems like you are assuming the AI within the bartender is far advanced meaning its AI capabilities allow it to reason, logic, and interpret things on its own verses just being a robot or computer. So I guess by that theory then it would make sense.

So I had to nerd out because--as I said--my last reply was from memory. As it turns out my memory was faulty (no surprise), so here's the script:

JIM: Arthur. Can you keep a secret?

ARTHUR: I’m a bartender.

JIM: Don’t tell Aurora I woke her up. She thinks it was an accident. Let me tell her. Okay?

[...]

ARTHUR: Birthday cocktail for the birthday girl.

AURORA: Aren’t you going to check my I.D.? I might not be old enough to drink.

ARTHUR: I’d never ask your age in front of a gentleman.

AURORA: Jim’s not a gentleman. Anyway there’s no secrets between me and Jim.

ARTHUR (looking at Jim): Is that so?

JIM: You heard the lady. Be right back.

He walks away.

AURORA: You know what I like about you, Arthur? You have a sense of occasion. I bet ladies fall for you on every trip.

ARTHUR: I’d say you were pulling my leg, but I haven’t got any.

AURORA (laughing): Exactly! There you go.

ARTHUR: I remember your last birthday, a year ago. Jim was really looking forward to meeting you.

Aurora frowns, processing this sentence - her smile fading.

AURORA: What?

[...]

Aurora scowls at Arthur, trying to get her bearings.

AURORA: What do you mean, he was looking forward to it? How could he...

ARTHUR: He couldn’t stop talking about you, let me tell you. He spent months deciding whether to wake you up.

Aurora eyes widen in shock.

AURORA: Jim woke me up.

ARTHUR: Oh, yes. Said it was the hardest decision of his life, but I see it worked out just fine.

Aurora stops breathing. She stares at the bartop.

Jim strolls up to the bar. His hand slides into the jacket pocket where the ring lies hidden.

But Aurora’s body language is all wrong. He stops, perplexed.

JIM: What?

She looks up, her face rigid. Her voice a whisper.

AURORA: Did you wake me up, Jim?

Jim’s hand slides out of his jacket pocket. He shoots a look at Arthur, who smiles back, oblivious.

Aurora’s eyes bore into him. Finally Jim finds his voice.

JIM: Yes. I woke you up.

So it seems we have to assume the AI was quite advanced and yet still inadequate. Advanced in that Arthur thought he was picking up the insinuation properly and still inadequate in that he was wrong.

i'd imagine thats how it would work with AI... especially considering that it would have probably been programmed by socially stunted nerds ;)

@Daddie0 said:

So I had to nerd out because--as I said--my last reply was from memory. As it turns out my memory was faulty (no surprise), so here's the script:

JIM: Arthur. Can you keep a secret?

ARTHUR: I’m a bartender.

JIM: Don’t tell Aurora I woke her up. She thinks it was an accident. Let me tell her. Okay?

[...]

ARTHUR: Birthday cocktail for the birthday girl.

AURORA: Aren’t you going to check my I.D.? I might not be old enough to drink.

ARTHUR: I’d never ask your age in front of a gentleman.

AURORA: Jim’s not a gentleman. Anyway there’s no secrets between me and Jim.

ARTHUR (looking at Jim): Is that so?

JIM: You heard the lady. Be right back.

He walks away.

AURORA: You know what I like about you, Arthur? You have a sense of occasion. I bet ladies fall for you on every trip.

ARTHUR: I’d say you were pulling my leg, but I haven’t got any.

AURORA (laughing): Exactly! There you go.

ARTHUR: I remember your last birthday, a year ago. Jim was really looking forward to meeting you.

Aurora frowns, processing this sentence - her smile fading.

AURORA: What?

[...]

Aurora scowls at Arthur, trying to get her bearings.

AURORA: What do you mean, he was looking forward to it? How could he...

ARTHUR: He couldn’t stop talking about you, let me tell you. He spent months deciding whether to wake you up.

Aurora eyes widen in shock.

AURORA: Jim woke me up.

ARTHUR: Oh, yes. Said it was the hardest decision of his life, but I see it worked out just fine.

Aurora stops breathing. She stares at the bartop.

Jim strolls up to the bar. His hand slides into the jacket pocket where the ring lies hidden.

But Aurora’s body language is all wrong. He stops, perplexed.

JIM: What?

She looks up, her face rigid. Her voice a whisper.

AURORA: Did you wake me up, Jim?

Jim’s hand slides out of his jacket pocket. He shoots a look at Arthur, who smiles back, oblivious.

Aurora’s eyes bore into him. Finally Jim finds his voice.

JIM: Yes. I woke you up.

So it seems we have to assume the AI was quite advanced and yet still inadequate. Advanced in that Arthur thought he was picking up the insinuation properly and still inadequate in that he was wrong.

Cool I can dig that. I did find it a bit misleading that the trailer made the bartender look menacing as it was malfunctioning as if it was going to attack Jim and Aurora while in the movie both Jim and Aurora run to the bartenders aid to help him instead.

@acontributor said:

The simple answer is that it's a plot device. In real life an AI would require an explicit authorization command before being able to do something like that.

While it is a plot device, there is nothing that warrants that "an explicit authorization command" would be required. Even now, we have self-learning AI (for example), so an astute future AI is not so unreasonable. Of course this is fiction, but I think filmmakers knew the audience would go "Oh no!" when the lead told the bartender "We have no secrets." I know I did. :P

@acontributor said:

they do what they're programmed to do and nothing more.

All the bartender was doing was sharing conversation, something it was intended to do.

@acontributor said:

Machines will never "approximate human intuition" or "think in a human way."

Those are some big assumptions, nevermind that the work being discussed is fiction. Did you view the link on AlphaGo?

@acontributor said:

There is no such thing as sentient AI.

Factually wrong. ;)

@acontributor said:

I am assuming that the bartender is programmed to keep the secrets of its customers. That's part of the job isn't it? Even if Chris Pratt said they have no secrets, the AI isn't programmed to share his secrets so it still shouldn't have told Jennifer Lawrence that he woke her up.

Actually, it was Chris Pratt's character who earlier told the bartender to never tell Jennifer Lawrence's character that he was going to wake her on purpose. Hence, later when he said, "Like the lady said." (implying no secrets) the bartender's AI felt free to converse about the matter (and did).

@acontributor said:

A computer that can learn to master space invaders in 8 hours isn't in any way human. I don't mean to say that it isn't impressive, it just isn't human.

The revelation wasn't Space Invaders, but Go. At one point someone says, when you ask the top human Go players in the world how they knew which move to make they often say they just "felt" it. Like intuition. Granted this can be some hyperbole, but AlphaGo (which is a general, not a specific AI) is not brute-forcing based on programming, but rather "learning" what works by playing against itself. In fact, if you find other articles on AlphaGo, the world's best players have said that they have learned new moves and possibilities from the way AlphaGo chose to play...something that was not programmed. The difference is subtle, but the whole point. (BTW, I appreciate the conversation on this...it is fascinating.)

We all knew that when he got up to leave, everything was going to hit the fan. How could he not have seen that?