I agree. I mean, I don't body shame anyone generally. I've got some extra pounds my damn self, but I think in the effort to be inclusive and fair, our society has gone way too far in the direction of pretentiousness. Now, everyone is offended about everything, even when there's nothing, or at least no intent there. I get being empathetic to people's struggles, but sometimes, that does not apply to you directly.

I have not seen this film, but I am well familiar with the whole "every woman is beautiful" tripe, which is bs. Every person is an individual. You are not automatically better or worse than anyone else just because you have ovaries.

@MongoLloyd said:

The current obsession with fairness and inclusivity won't negate what people feel naturally. You can't just suddenly decide that overweight, misshapen, aged, or just aesthetically uninteresting women are all-of-a-sudden "beautiful." That's not how it works. If everyone were beautiful then nobody would be beautiful.

It's no worse than the obsession with youth and beauty. People are made to feel inadequate, ugly, or useless. I don't know that the proper response is to tell everyone they're beautiful, though. Beauty is subjective and culturally we tend to be influenced by evolution--big breasts (fertility), square jaw or height (vigor), wealth (security), youth (reproductivity), etc. Yet I wouldn't mind emphasizing the emotional over the superficial.

Appearance can be a big factor in how people treat one another, so maybe the emphasis on beauty is a symptom while the real disease is how older, less attractive women and men find less opportunity, more exclusion, and feel more isolated than their younger, genetically-gifted peers. Some very healthy, thin people are also unattractive through no fault of their own, but the pretty people tend to find much more opportunity, deservedly or no.

I haven't, nor will I ever, watch this documentary. These usually display the most desperate, insecure people and I don't enjoy watching them humiliate themselves for attention. I think the filmmakers do the viewers a disservice because the people that are on display are at the extremes. These are not well-adjusted people struggling with a muffin-top and whose perspective on how others perceive them might be a little more nuanced. Instead, what we typically get is a carnival sideshow of very obese or insecure people. While we're TOLD to sympathize, via a montage or a candid, emotional moment, our more natural response is repulsion at the extremes on display. To me, at least, docs like this just feel exploitive and shallow.

I do think that, long-term, we would end up with healthier, more well-adjusted people if we emphasized the internal more than the external. We are products of evolution, but of all the animals on this planet we are the only ones with the intelligence to at least attempt to overcome our genetic programming.

@AlienFanatic said:

@MongoLloyd said:

It's no worse than the obsession with youth and beauty. People are made to feel inadequate, ugly, or useless. I don't know that the proper >response is to tell everyone they're beautiful, though. Beauty is subjective and culturally we tend to be influenced by evolution--big breasts (fertility), square jaw or height (vigor), wealth (security), youth (reproductivity), etc. Yet I wouldn't mind emphasizing the emotional over the >superficial.

Yes, it's the same thing. As an ugly guy, I've come to understand truly what it feels like to be invisible. I'm being weeded out of the gene pool and all I can think is that it's just natural selection at work. The problem when you're "old" and ugly is nobody really gets to know you because you're aesthetically distasteful. And I'm SO sick of hearing about "white privilege" when "beauty privilege" is actually a real condition.

Appearance can be a big factor in how people treat one another, so maybe the emphasis on beauty is a symptom while the real disease is how older, less attractive women and men find less opportunity, more exclusion, and feel more isolated than their younger, genetically-gifted peers. Some very healthy, thin people are also unattractive through no fault of their own, but the pretty people tend to find much more opportunity, >deservedly or no.

Appearance is everything to most people (at least in the US). All things being equal, better looking people get more opportunities in every aspect of life. I've seen it over and over and over again. You could be mediocre at your job, but you'll still get hired over another mediocre applicant who's less good looking. I interviewed a potential intern once for my bosses, and all they asked me later was if she was cute. She wasn't, and they never used her. I took a very attractive intern in once and mentored her for 3 years, so I got to see first hand how she was treated and how her looks opened doors for her even with very mediocre skills. She was probably the laziest person I ever knew and yet people, especially men, fall all over themselves for her.

I haven't, nor will I ever, watch this documentary. These usually display the most desperate, insecure people and I don't enjoy watching them humiliate themselves for attention. I think the filmmakers do the viewers a disservice because the people that are on display are at the extremes. These are not well-adjusted people struggling with a muffin-top and whose perspective on how others perceive them might be a little more nuanced. Instead, what we typically get is a carnival sideshow of very obese or insecure people. While we're TOLD to sympathize, via a montage or a candid, >emotional moment, our more natural response is repulsion at the extremes on display. To me, at least, docs like this just feel exploitive and >shallow.

I watched maybe 10 minutes and was so disgusted I had to turn it off. It's embarrassing, and of course the subjects already know what the filmmakers are trying to achieve, so they're in on it. Have you seen "Dove Real Beauty Sketches?" Again, it's all women and of course the premise is utter nonsense as with this film. I see no videos or movies like this for guys. It's always girls & women. I have a sneaking suspicion the garment industry is behind all this so they can expand their market. Huffington Post has been publishing articles frequently on "Hot Plus Size Models" for years now.

I do think that, long-term, we would end up with healthier, more well-adjusted people if we emphasized the internal more than the external. We are products of evolution, but of all the animals on this planet we are the only ones with the intelligence to at least attempt to overcome our >genetic programming.

It's funny, instead of taking the noble tack of exposing the inner beauty of the less-than-beautiful, they just keep trying to expand the spectrum of physical beauty norms, hahaha, it's ludicrous.

@A-Dubya said:

I think in the effort to be inclusive and fair, our society has gone way too far in the direction of pretentiousness. Now, everyone is offended about everything, even when there's nothing, or at least no intent there. I get being empathetic to people's struggles, but sometimes, that does not apply to you directly.

Yes, exactly, it's gotten to the point where being a victim is a badge of courage and something to aspire to. People these days are actually building careers on their victim status.

i havent seen the film but i and apperantly many others do agree with this new movement/era where curvy voluptious women are being recognized in the fashion industry as much as the previous slim size zero females who are called "models". i apologize if this is not the point of the message of this film, but like i said everything is good as long as there exist limits.

i just looked at the cast, and Iskla Lawrence is a perfect example of what i am talking about. if you do some research, she was not casted as a "model" in her teens for a magazine because she was too "curvy". which is ridiculous since like one user here mentioned: we are programmed to like big breasts and women with a good fertility body. the old fashion market relied on telling women they have to be skeleton slim to appear beautiful, and other tastes were being omitted.

@MongoLloyd said:

The current obsession with fairness and inclusivity won't negate what people feel naturally. You can't just suddenly decide that overweight, misshapen, aged, or just aesthetically uninteresting women are all-of-a-sudden "beautiful." That's not how it works. If everyone were beautiful then nobody would be beautiful.

like i mentioned above is not about an obsession with fairness and inclusivity, its about fighting the norms that beauty only exists where the old fashion market made it ok to do so.

@Don Jon said:

we are programmed to like big breasts and women with a good fertility body. the old fashion market relied on telling women they have to be skeleton slim to appear beautiful, and other tastes were being omitted.

The fashion industry always preferred tall thin models because the garments look better on them. It's as simple as that. They didn't just arbitrarily decide that tall and thin was best. Fashion models are essentially human clothing racks.

@Don Jon said:

like i mentioned above is not about an obsession with fairness and inclusivity, its about fighting the norms that beauty only exists where the old fashion market made it ok to do so.

That's exactly what it's about. "Fighting norms," what? It's about "social justice" which is infused into every aspect of modern life in Western society now.

@Invidia said:

Trailer here:

https://vimeo.com/ondemand/straightcurve/228266773

Simply suggests that we need a selection of more diverse body types in Advertisements.

https://www.medicaldaily.com/men-perceive-thin-female-body-shape-physically-attractive-due-youth-and-fertility-350476

Men Perceive Thin Female Body Shape As Physically Attractive Due To Youth And Fertility, According To This Study

science suggests men are initially drawn to women who look more like Kate Moss did in the 90s. According to a recent study published in the journal PeerJ, men find thinner female body types more physically attractive because they associate it with youth, fertility, and a lower risk of disease.

The “ideal body type” varies among gender and a person’s individual preference. These ideal preferences have evolved to signal health and fertility. Although, this influence could also be cultural, especially when you consider how media representations can impact us more than genes or evolution. A 2012 study published in the journal PLOS ONE found that a man’s ideal woman had an hourglass with a small waist-to-hip ratio and a body mass index (BMI) of 18.82. Meanwhile, women preferred men to have an inverted pyramid shape, with broad shoulders and a small waist, and a BMI of 24.5.

researchers tested their prediction on more than 1,300 people living in 10 different countries. Each participant was shown a deck of 21 cards that displayed females of all different body types; then, they were asked to reorder the cards from least to most attractive.

The findings revealed the thinnest images, which meant a woman had a BMI of 19, were rated as the most attractive. When a woman’s BMI increased, the participant’s attraction toward her decreased.

men saw a BMI between 17 and 20 to be the most attractive. This BMI range is associated with younger women aged 18-20,

researchers found this to be consistent across European, African, and Asian study subjects.

“Setting this into an evolutionary framework allows us to understand why we perceive thinness in females to be so attractive,

the study provides evolutionary insight we didn’t quite have before.

However, this study does not account for all men.

A 2011 study published in the journal Archives of Sexual Behavior found that a woman with an hourglass-shaped figure is more important to men than her breast size or facial features. Men were more interested in learning about the size of her waist compared to her hips, because subconsciously, they preferred a ratio associated with good health and high fertility.

The takeaway of all these studies? Men love women of all different shapes and sizes. The most recent study merely represents men who like a certain type.

im sure by "thinnest" theyre not talking about zero waist women because ive read similar reports that men find those as unhealthy