You mean people dont care that they have a gay superhero family and a gay kiss? No! Say it isnt so. Movie goers want story and connections to characters over politicized shit and story? Thats why its rotten guys, white straight males and Trump supporters...obviously is the issue here.

@OddRob said:

You mean people dont care that they have a gay superhero family and a gay kiss? No! Say it isnt so. Movie goers want story and connections to characters over politicized shit and story? Thats why its rotten guys, white straight males and Trump supporters...obviously is the issue here.

As Tina Turner almost sang; "What's Trump got to do, got to do with it?"

Well it kind of goes hand in hand with being a straight white cis male. You dont watch the news? Trump is responsible for every bad thing in the US and actually the world. Marvel already has the plays ready to go when this flops, and its looking like it from the early reviews. I like to watch the numbers so I wont be judging till the second week drop off numbers. But from early critic reviews, which is really weird since the shills usually go hard for Disney, its not looking to hot.

Have you considered the possibility that the diversity is irrelevant and it's just a bad film?

Haha yeah of course it is. But Im just in shock the 'critics' actually agree with what is probably going to be a very low score from the audience. But like I said, they are getting ready to use the race/gay/waaaman cards to try and cover up for the short comings of the film. I mean, it was a hard sell for Marvel anyway. This isnt a very well known franchise to begin with. And pissing of the hardcore fans by changing the cast all around and also not being very loyal to the original source material in terms of looks dosent help at all. Im not a fan of the comics but I know what they look like and this, this film looks nothing like the comics. Hell Thor Ragnarok looks more like the Jack Kirby comics than this. But I mean who knows, this could end up being great, from the early reviews I dont see that happening at all.

Is RT really a useful tool? Especially before general release of a movie. Personally I would say "No".

I'm reserving judgement until I see it.

If you do use reviews to decide what you watch then I recommend reading widely and find reviewers whose tastes generally reflect your own. That way you bypass any review-bombing, fanboying, schilling, etc.

@Damienracer said:

@OddRob said:

Haha yeah of course it is. But Im just in shock the 'critics' actually agree with what is probably going to be a very low score from the audience. But like I said, they are getting ready to use the race/gay/waaaman cards to try and cover up for the short comings of the film. I mean, it was a hard sell for Marvel anyway. This isnt a very well known franchise to begin with. And pissing of the hardcore fans by changing the cast all around and also not being very loyal to the original source material in terms of looks dosent help at all. Im not a fan of the comics but I know what they look like and this, this film looks nothing like the comics. Hell Thor Ragnarok looks more like the Jack Kirby comics than this. But I mean who knows, this could end up being great, from the early reviews I dont see that happening at all.

Do you mean the Eternals isn't a very well known franchise?

I dont think its as well known as lets say Spider Man or X-Men or Avengers. So right of the bat it would be an uphill battle. I think Disney/Marvel are relying on their brand name to much. Its like oh look we did Avengers and made like over 6 billion with all our films, we cant do wrong. Yeah, those days are over and were over way before Covid hit.

@Joe79 RT is a horrible tool. Considering how bias and the shit they pulled for certain Disney films. I dont trust them at all. You can tell by the complete disconnect from the 'professional critics' and audience score. If I have to use a site I would go with Metacritic.com since that seems more leveled.

@mechajutaro said: The film industry has reeked of the Marvel Cinematic Odor for far too long. Yeah, The Avengers was great. Now, let's get back to a climate in which the occasional superhero movie existed side by side with crime flicks, serious horror films, well-made comedies, erotic thrillers, etc etc

They still make those. Hell, they make a shit ton more of those every year than Marvel films (they even make more Westerns). What kind of goggles do you wear that you can't see that?

@mechajutaro said:

@Innovator said:

@mechajutaro said: The film industry has reeked of the Marvel Cinematic Odor for far too long. Yeah, The Avengers was great. Now, let's get back to a climate in which the occasional superhero movie existed side by side with crime flicks, serious horror films, well-made comedies, erotic thrillers, etc etc

They still make those. Hell, they make a shit ton more of those every year than Marvel films (they even make more Westerns). What kind of goggles do you wear that you can't see that?

You'd have to be wearing goggles to not see that the mainstream market has been, for the past few years at least, overrun with superhero flicks and rehashes of stale IPs. You needn't take my word alone for it, either 0:20-0:26. Yep, even filmgoers who are partial to genre entertainment have recognized that the menu has been whittled down to almost nothing but cape movies and rehashes of cut-rate tv shows from the 70s

You mean the 4-8 superhero movies out of hundreds (even thousands) of other movies that come out each year? All that other shit is hyperbole by the film makers to the press to try to get people to look at their films and stand out against the myriad of movies out there. People like you believe their hype, and actually buy into that crap. 😂

Did you know there have been 53 westerns released and soon to be released in 2021 alone? 340 comedies? 264 Thrillers? I could go on.

@mechajutaro said:

@Innovator said:

@mechajutaro said:

@Innovator said:

@mechajutaro said: The film industry has reeked of the Marvel Cinematic Odor for far too long. Yeah, The Avengers was great. Now, let's get back to a climate in which the occasional superhero movie existed side by side with crime flicks, serious horror films, well-made comedies, erotic thrillers, etc etc

They still make those. Hell, they make a shit ton more of those every year than Marvel films (they even make more Westerns). What kind of goggles do you wear that you can't see that?

You'd have to be wearing goggles to not see that the mainstream market has been, for the past few years at least, overrun with superhero flicks and rehashes of stale IPs. You needn't take my word alone for it, either 0:20-0:26. Yep, even filmgoers who are partial to genre entertainment have recognized that the menu has been whittled down to almost nothing but cape movies and rehashes of cut-rate tv shows from the 70s

You mean the 4-8 comic movies out of hundreds of other movies that come out each year? All that other shit is hyperbole by the film makers to the press to try to get people to look at their films and stand out against the myriad of movies out there. People like you play into it, and actually believe that crap. 😂

More like 8-10 comic book movies per year, plus 8-10 movies like the Charlie's Angels rehash, the latest attempt to milk the Halloween franchise for all it's worth, and yet another Ghostbuster's movie, despite the fact that no one even wanted the second film in that franchise, back when it was released in the 80s. Add all that up; comic book flicks and rehashes of stale IPs make up the majority of wide releases currently. The hundred of others you refer to have been consigned to limited theatrical release, or straight to streaming. In the not too distant past, a mid-budget erotic thriller like The Voyeurs wouldn't have gone straight to Amazon. If you don't believe me, take e a look at the wide releases of the 2000s.... Movies like Changing Lanes, Disturbia, and Twisted shared the cinema with the likes of Spiderman and those Tomb Raider movies with Angelina Jolie

Folks like yourself claiming that the film industry hasn't been infantilized is nothing less than willful blindness

Superhero movies only get hype because they're event blockbuster films. Like Star Wars movies got hype when they came out, or Dune did this year. Still event films number less than 1% of the movies the are made and released. I'm not the one who's blind if you can't see past the billboards.

I feel like the past 8 years have been nothing but Superhero films, Fast&Furious films, and Star Wars films. Even if I know thats not true.

@mechajutaro said:

The film industry has reeked of the Marvel Cinematic Odor for far too long. Yeah, The Avengers was great. Now, let's get back to a climate in which the occasional superhero movie existed side by side with crime flicks, serious horror films, well-made comedies, erotic thrillers, etc etc

They still make horror because they tend to be cheap to make, but comedies? Nope, we can't make those anymore unless they are inoffensive (ie not funny) or basically slapstick (ie not very funny). And erotic thrillers? That means naked people, which means MPAA is going to censor it or it gets an NC-17, so that's off the table too.

I've gotten so bored of modern movies I've gone back to watch old 70s/80s horror/thriller films I either never saw or don't remember and it just made me realize how modern films have no nudity or sex anymore, let alone cute/good looking in-shape women. I guess I can't be too surprised in the post Metoo era, but the days of Basic Instinct or Sex Lies & Videotape or Secretary (Jesus, imagine Secretary being made in 2021 and not ending with the dude in jail) are over.

@Innovator said:

@mechajutaro said:

@Innovator said:

@mechajutaro said: The film industry has reeked of the Marvel Cinematic Odor for far too long. Yeah, The Avengers was great. Now, let's get back to a climate in which the occasional superhero movie existed side by side with crime flicks, serious horror films, well-made comedies, erotic thrillers, etc etc

They still make those. Hell, they make a shit ton more of those every year than Marvel films (they even make more Westerns). What kind of goggles do you wear that you can't see that?

You'd have to be wearing goggles to not see that the mainstream market has been, for the past few years at least, overrun with superhero flicks and rehashes of stale IPs. You needn't take my word alone for it, either 0:20-0:26. Yep, even filmgoers who are partial to genre entertainment have recognized that the menu has been whittled down to almost nothing but cape movies and rehashes of cut-rate tv shows from the 70s

You mean the 4-8 superhero movies out of hundreds (even thousands) of other movies that come out each year? All that other shit is hyperbole by the film makers to the press to try to get people to look at their films and stand out against the myriad of movies out there. People like you play believe their hype, and actually buy into that crap. 😂

Did you know there have been 53 westerns released and soon to be released in 2021 alone? 340 comedies? 264 Thrillers? I could go on.

How many of those westerns, comedies and thrillers made it to the cinema multiplexes? How many of those could be considered "mainstream market"? The context we are talking about is cinema releases, not straight to DVD, VOD low budget trash and Netflix content filler. Undoubtedly all of those ~700 films combined had a smaller production budget than the 8 superhero movies that dominate the cinema screens. I'd like you to try to prove otherwise that the cinema release schedules are not full of cape movies, low budget horror, remakes and sequels. You cannot argue that mainstream cinema is not homogenised, especially with Disney expanding and controlling over half of the output.

The end of superhero franchises can't come soon enough.

@hankster3000 said:

And dropping. (On rotten tomatoes)

It was good.

@nkuk said:

@Innovator said:

@mechajutaro said:

@Innovator said:

@mechajutaro said: The film industry has reeked of the Marvel Cinematic Odor for far too long. Yeah, The Avengers was great. Now, let's get back to a climate in which the occasional superhero movie existed side by side with crime flicks, serious horror films, well-made comedies, erotic thrillers, etc etc

They still make those. Hell, they make a shit ton more of those every year than Marvel films (they even make more Westerns). What kind of goggles do you wear that you can't see that?

You'd have to be wearing goggles to not see that the mainstream market has been, for the past few years at least, overrun with superhero flicks and rehashes of stale IPs. You needn't take my word alone for it, either 0:20-0:26. Yep, even filmgoers who are partial to genre entertainment have recognized that the menu has been whittled down to almost nothing but cape movies and rehashes of cut-rate tv shows from the 70s

You mean the 4-8 superhero movies out of hundreds (even thousands) of other movies that come out each year? All that other shit is hyperbole by the film makers to the press to try to get people to look at their films and stand out against the myriad of movies out there. People like you play believe their hype, and actually buy into that crap. 😂

Did you know there have been 53 westerns released and soon to be released in 2021 alone? 340 comedies? 264 Thrillers? I could go on.

How many of those westerns, comedies and thrillers made it to the cinema multiplexes? How many of those could be considered "mainstream market"? The context we are talking about is cinema releases, not straight to DVD, VOD low budget trash and Netflix content filler. Undoubtedly all of those ~700 films combined had a smaller production budget than the 8 superhero movies that dominate the cinema screens. I'd like you to try to prove otherwise that the cinema release schedules are not full of cape movies, low budget horror, remakes and sequels. You cannot argue that mainstream cinema is not homogenised, especially with Disney expanding and controlling over half of the output.

The end of superhero franchises can't come soon enough.

Westerns have always been low budget, so that's not a valid argument. A lot of them were made for streaming services (like Netflix, Apple TV, Amazon, Hulu, etc).

Here's a list: https://www.moviefone.com/movies/2021/western/

Some made it to theaters, like these 9 (that's already more than the 3 Marvel movies):

• Cry Macho
• The Harder They Fall
• Old Henry
• Death Rider in the House of Vampires
• Buckley's Chance
• Spirit Untamed
• High Ground
• The World to Come
• No Man's Land

10 if you add Settlers which is technically a Western set on Mars, but I wasn't sure if this cross genre into sci-fi would count.

I'm not doing the other genres as those number in the hundreds, which is too much for me to cross reference for an internet argument (do your own research).