in the 2024 movie - the Lady actor is - Freya Allan = Mae*

• Correction.

Is it supposed to be the same person? IIRC in the new film she was named by Noa and Raka.

@melani said:

in the 2024 movie - the Lady actor is - Freya Allan = Nova

then in the previous Movie - it was - Amiah Miller as Nova, an orphan who is mute - This is Very Stupid to do this - and even a Blind Person could see that it was Not the same Actress !!!!

She is listed as both Nova & Mae on TMDB, IMDb, & Wikipedia.

@melani said:

in the 2024 movie - the Lady actor is - Freya Allan = Nova

then in the previous Movie - it was - Amiah Miller as Nova, an orphan who is mute - This is Very Stupid to do this - and even a Blind Person could see that it was Not the same Actress !!!!

In "War for the Planet of the Apes (2017)" the little girl - whose real name is unknown - was named 'Nova' by the orangutan Maurice. "Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes (2024)" is set about three hundred years later, and 'Nova' has been dead a long time ago. Since the first Nova, all human females have been named Nova by the group of apes belonging to the Order of Caesar.

Raka (orangutan): "She is smarter than most. We will name her Nova. We name them all Nova."

Later the woman, named Nova by Raka, reveals that she is not mute, and her name is Mae.

Mae (aka Nova): "I have a name. Mae."

Sidenote

Nova is a popular character from the film "Planet of the Apes (1968)" and the human astronaut Taylor gave her that name when he met her for the first time. Screenwriter Bomback wanted that name in "War for the Planet of the Apes (2017)" and so he included a mute girl, who was then named Nova - call it an 'Easter egg' - by the orangutan Maurice. This caused confusion about the original character, so in the next movie "Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes (2024)", it was explained that all human females are named Nova, so that in the future when there is a reboot of the original movie and a mute woman appears named Nova, the audience will know that it is just another word used by the apes to name a human female.

@wonder2wonder said:

In "War for the Planet of the Apes (2017)" the little girl - whose real name is unknown - was named 'Nova' by the orangutan Maurice. "Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes (2024)" is set about three hundred years later

Where does it say it's been 300 years? I seriously doubt it's been that long, 50-100 years tops. William H Macey's character came off as someone who was likely still alive during Rise and the technology we see in the bunker Mae goes to probably wouldn't still be working after 300 years, let alone the generator she turns on in the military silo.

@cswood said:

@wonder2wonder said:

In "War for the Planet of the Apes (2017)" the little girl - whose real name is unknown - was named 'Nova' by the orangutan Maurice. "Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes (2024)" is set about three hundred years later

Where does it say it's been 300 years? I seriously doubt it's been that long, 50-100 years tops. William H Macey's character came off as someone who was likely still alive during Rise and the technology we see in the bunker Mae goes to probably wouldn't still be working after 300 years, let alone the generator she turns on in the military silo.

There is no specific number mentioned in the movie. In some interviews when director Wes Ball was asked about the time jump, he did say that 300 years was a good guess. In other interviews, he denied ever saying that. He remains cryptic and evasive about the exact time passed. Probably to have the option to make changes in future films.

So, if you want to set it at only 100 years later, that could also be a good guess.

... Excerpts from Why Kingdom Of The Planet Of The Apes Is Set 300 Years After Previous Apes Movies:

The fourth film is set nearly 300 years after the events of War for the Planet of the Apes which, as Ball explains, is to keep the franchise feeling fresh. First off, this starts with the introduction of several new characters, including the chimpanzee hunter Noa and a feral young girl named Nova/Mae, who embark on a journey. The new antagonist is the ape king Proximus Caesar who, equipped with weapons crafted from forgotten human technology, distorts Caesar's teachings to subjugate and enslave other clans.

By jumping ahead 300 years, Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes also introduces an entirely new setting to play around in. At this point, several ape civilizations have emerged from the sanctuary that Caesar led his fellow apes to, with each faction interpreting his teachings differently. On the other hand, humans have regressed into a feral, primitive state. In turn, the 300-year time jump allows Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes to continue exploring a world shaped by Caesar while also introducing new characters and conflicts to keep the franchise feeling fresh.

"In doing so, Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes will also function as a standalone story. In turn, Ball says the reboot trilogy – which consists of Rise, Dawn, and War – is not required viewing to understand Kingdom. Overall, Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes' setting will not only refresh the franchise with new characters and conflicts, but will also offer audiences a standalone story that still explores the legacy of Caesar's teachings.

... Excerpts from When is Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes set? Timeline explained:

"It's been described as a new beginning, you know," director Wes Ball explained in an exclusive interview with RadioTimes.com. "And that weird time period... that time jump allows for that, because so much has been lost to time... just the ravages of time."

Meanwhile, although the film takes place many years after Caesar's death, that character's impact is still keenly felt, with the various interpretations – and indeed misinterpretations – of his legacy the key theme of the film.

"It was fun to play with [that theme]," Ball said. "And that time period thing was a big part of that – as he became myth and legend, what becomes truth? Stories ultimately will last longer than truth, you know what I mean?"

The film also leaves plenty of room for more entries between its end and the beginning of the first film – and Ball has already expressed an interesting in filling in more of that gap.

@wonder2wonder said:

There is no specific number mentioned in the movie. In some interviews when director Wes Ball was asked about the time jump, he did say that 300 years was a good guess. In other interviews, he denied ever saying that. He remains cryptic and evasive about the exact time passed. Probably to have the option to make changes in future films.

So, if you want to set it at only 100 years later, that could also be a good guess.

That makes sense. I noticed it just says "many generations later" at the beginning so I assumed this was so they wouldn't be committed to one specific time in case they wanted to do more movies.

But yeah, as I said, based on the context of the movie I simply can not see it being set more than 100 years after the last film, and even that seems to be pushing it. Honestly, 40-50 years (or 55-65 years after the first movie) seems very reasonable.

These apes don't have access to medicine so they probably only live 30ish years, meaning the apes from the first movie would be dead and their children would have no direct memory or knowledge of how things used to be, which would explain why the facts of what happened have already become distorted with them unable to write or transcribe knowledge, but why William H Macy's character is very familiar with reading and history. I just think he'd have to have been alive before the fall for his character to make sense.

The fact that apes have completely forgotten about Caesar and his teachings lends credence to the theory that it is many hundreds of years later. How corroded those Satellite dishes looked at the end of the film also does as they looked to be much older than 50 years.

Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes (2024) - 7 outta 10 stars

@movie_nazi said:

The fact that apes have completely forgotten about Caesar and his teachings lends credence to the theory that it is many hundreds of years later. How corroded those Satellite dishes looked at the end of the film also does as they looked to be much older than 50 years.

Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes (2024) - 7 outta 10 stars

We have human events that happened less than 25 years ago that people have distorted, and we have access to videos and writing materials. Play the telephone game, facts get distorted real fast without video/audio, and even then sometimes it is. It's not that hard to believe.

Also, there are cars that look like those satellites that are less than 30 years old. Any metal left to the elements without care/upkeep by humans will look that way very fast. In the 2nd and 3rd movie we already saw overgrowth and structures deteriorating.

@cswood said:

@movie_nazi said:

The fact that apes have completely forgotten about Caesar and his teachings lends credence to the theory that it is many hundreds of years later. How corroded those Satellite dishes looked at the end of the film also does as they looked to be much older than 50 years.

Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes (2024) - 7 outta 10 stars

We have human events that happened less than 25 years ago that people have distorted, and we have access to videos and writing materials. Play the telephone game, facts get distorted real fast without video/audio, and even then sometimes it is. It's not that hard to believe.

Also, there are cars that look like those satellites that are less than 30 years old. Any metal left to the elements without care/upkeep by humans will look that way very fast. In the 2nd and 3rd movie we already saw overgrowth and structures deteriorating.

If you remember the previous film, the apes had guns. In this film they looked at guns like it was an alien concept. The telephone game indeed and people would have been talking about guns for years to come. It would have to be many generations later before apes would be like, "Guns? Who dat?" . Also the apes that followed Caesar's teaching were all but gone. No way this would happen in a 50 year time period. People still talking about Jesus 2000 years later.

@movie_nazi said:

If you remember the previous film, the apes had guns. In this film they looked at guns like it was an alien concept. The telephone game indeed and people would have been talking about guns for years to come. It would have to be many generations later before apes would be like, "Guns? Who dat?" . Also the apes that followed Caesar's teaching were all but gone. No way this would happen in a 50 year time period. People still talking about Jesus 2000 years later.

Well, again, without humans to make/maintain the guns or make the ammo, it makes sense the later generations wouldn't understand what guns were or how they worked. Once all the bullets are gone a gun is useless. But the woman knew what a gun was once she saw one and how to use it, which goes to show that the surviving humans are still handing down that knowledge.

Even in The Walking Dead TV show they needed a factory to make ammo, the apes do not have the hands or the knowledge to make ammo. They're smart, but they don't have the means to melt down metal and mold it into ammunition. This would all still fit in with a 60-80 year time gap.

@cswood said:

@movie_nazi said:

If you remember the previous film, the apes had guns. In this film they looked at guns like it was an alien concept. The telephone game indeed and people would have been talking about guns for years to come. It would have to be many generations later before apes would be like, "Guns? Who dat?" . Also the apes that followed Caesar's teaching were all but gone. No way this would happen in a 50 year time period. People still talking about Jesus 2000 years later.

Well, again, without humans to make/maintain the guns or make the ammo, it makes sense the later generations wouldn't understand what guns were or how they worked. Once all the bullets are gone a gun is useless. But the woman knew what a gun was once she saw one and how to use it, which goes to show that the surviving humans are still handing down that knowledge.

Even in The Walking Dead TV show they needed a factory to make ammo, the apes do not have the hands or the knowledge to make ammo. They're smart, but they don't have the means to melt down metal and mold it into ammunition. This would all still fit in with a 60-80 year time gap.

Its true without ammo they would be worthless but just like today you see people holding on to family weapons for hundreds of years even just as a decoration. Guns can last a REALLY long time if you take care of them. Mae was obviously raised in one of those bunkers and I'm pretty sure they were sent out on a mission from one of those bunkers to recover that hard drive so of course she knew how to handle guns. In my guesstimation it has been at least 100 years since the days of Caesar and no more than 300. I say no more judging by the still standing skyscrapers which I think would no longer be standing at say 500 years. Heck I doubt they would make it 300.

Another thing to take into consideration is how many ape clans exist independent of one another. In the previous film they all congregated together. Now you have villages, clans, even kingdoms developing completely separate from one another. This would take many generations to form and spread out like they did. Noa didn't even know who Caesar was not even by word of mouth? I'd say A LOT of time would have had to pass before everyone forgot who their saviour was.