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decent movie otherwise, but the unnecessary Shyamalan final twist left bitter aftertaste (the choice for Pope was already hinted before, that wouldn't be really a surprise), and judging by IMDb reviews I now skimmed through I'm not the only one getting deceived

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Yeah, it doesn't really add anything to the movie and seems like it was an afterthought just added there because of the "modern audience" mindset.

This is all in the novel by Robert Harris. Did you read it?

No, I am commenting on the movie, not on the book, not interested in book. You know movies dont always stick to the books, see Forrest Gump or Fight Club.

aholejones suggest a political agenda ("mondern audience mindset") of the movie (or the filmmakers) – but it's already in the novel. So you could blame the filmmakers for choosing the novel but not for making up the ending. The "agenda", if there is any, would then come from Robert Harris.

@peterhbg said:

aholejones suggest a political agenda ("mondern audience mindset") of the movie (or the filmmakers) – but it's already in the novel. So you could blame the filmmakers for choosing the novel but not for making up the ending. The "agenda", if there is any, would then come from Robert Harris.

I feel your pain, mate — it's too often a struggle just ironing out logic before a conversation on topic can ever be rationally engaged, which tends to spin wheels in the mire of fallacy and never get to the real gist of a rational argument.

Just know, you're not alone, and your efforts to inject some balance, whether in this specific conversation, or generally across this site, is both welcomed and appreciated.

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@peterhbg said:

aholejones suggest a political agenda ("mondern audience mindset") of the movie (or the filmmakers) – but it's already in the novel. So you could blame the filmmakers for choosing the novel but not for making up the ending. The "agenda", if there is any, would then come from Robert Harris.

I feel your pain, mate — it's too often a struggle just ironing out logic before a conversation on topic can ever be rationally engaged, which tends to spin wheels in the mire of fallacy and never get to the real gist of a rational argument.

Just know, you're not alone, and your efforts to inject some balance, whether in this specific conversation, or generally across this site, is both welcomed and appreciated.

There are 2 or 3 offenders (I think the 3rd was banned?) who use this otherwise excellent movie forum as their personal rant space to whine about social issues that threaten their manhood.

Sometimes it can be fun to talk about filmmakers' agendas with other adults in the room. For example I think it's interesting to talk about Hitchcock's war propaganda in his early films because it puts his films in context with the times, allowing us to appreciate the art on a historical level as well as plain entertainment.

Snowflakes who come to cry about their wounded manhood don't fall into that category ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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