by SecretaryIMF :

I haven't seen all of the Spock/Chapel romantic scenes on Strange New Worlds, but for some nutty reason them having a relationship doesn't seem to bother me anymore. Maybe it's because I always felt sorry for Chapel when she was crushing on Spock on TOS. As for T'Pring, I didn't like her on TOS and I wasn't that fond of her on SNW

Actually, I felt more sorry for Spock, everyone knew Chapel had a crush on him. She embarrassed herself and often Spock in the process.

T'Pring in TOS makes more sense. On his home planet growing up Vuclans considered him from the get-go to be inferior because he was half-human. Vulcans , the snobs they are, never gave Spock the benefit of the doubt. He was just damaged good, full -stop.

So I do not see why T'Pring in NSW should be any different. And I wonder when did they even get time to know each other.

Also, from what I understood watching TOS , Spock and Nurse Chapel met on the Enterprise under Kirk's command for the first time.

According to SNW Memory Alpha, Nurse Chapel arrived on the Enterprise under Pike in 2259, and then by 2266 she was under KIrk's command.

In TOS, Amok Time occurs in 2267 ... I checked SNW Memory Alpha and it has been completely erased...not a word mentioned.

I don't understand why the writers didn't just go with the new timeline idea, which they had promised fans when Star Trek Discovery began.

@sunshine62 said:

by SecretaryIMF :

I haven't seen all of the Spock/Chapel romantic scenes on Strange New Worlds, but for some nutty reason them having a relationship doesn't seem to bother me anymore. Maybe it's because I always felt sorry for Chapel when she was crushing on Spock on TOS. As for T'Pring, I didn't like her on TOS and I wasn't that fond of her on SNW

Actually, I felt more sorry for Spock, everyone knew Chapel had a crush on him. She embarrassed herself and often Spock in the process.

T'Pring in TOS makes more sense. On his home planet growing up Vuclans considered him from the get-go to be inferior because he was half-human. Vulcans , the snobs they are, never gave Spock the benefit of the doubt. He was just damaged good, full -stop.

So I do not see why T'Pring in NSW should be any different. And I wonder when did they even get time to know each other.

T'Pring loved Spock very much and she accepted the fact that he was half-human. Many were against this mixed marriage, but she decided to ask him to marry her anyway, and accept the consequences of being scorned and shunned by her friends and other Vulcans. Spock also was in love with her, and promised that they would be together forever. When he left on the USS Enterprise, he told her not to worry, because distance makes the heart grow fonder.

They kept in touch and communicated daily. Their love was like a Vulcan fairy tale, until Spock met Christine, and his feelings changed. He was fascinated by her. Did she remind him of his mother? So close, yet so far. Finally he couldn't resist the temptation of satisfying his carnal lust with a human female. When T'Pring discovered his affair, she was deeply hurt, and she broke up with him. It was hard for her, after she had sacrificed so much for him. Everyone had warned her beforehand that she should have chosen someone from her own, and not a mixed one. She had ignored this, because she believed that it doesn't matter, as long as you love each other. Many years would pass as she lived in disgrace. No one wanted her, except for Stonn. T'Pring needed to divorce Spock and choose someone else, if she ever wanted to regain some respect and honour among her own people. The only possibility left was koon-ut-kal-if-fee.

Unless in (S)SNW it is clarified if Spock really cheated on his fiancée, or that T'Pring never loved Spock and was only using him, or that she was the one who cheated first, it is Spock who is to blame for all that happened.

It is interesting to note that fans don't mind if Spock is the one who had the affair. Not so much a strange new world, but the usual old one, where it is accepted that men can cheat. Of course, women can too, but that is still frowned upon by many.

Also, from what I understood watching TOS , Spock and Nurse Chapel met on the Enterprise under Kirk's command for the first time.

According to SNW Memory Alpha, Nurse Chapel arrived on the Enterprise under Pike in 2259, and then by 2266 she was under KIrk's command.

In TOS, Amok Time occurs in 2267 ... I checked SNW Memory Alpha and it has been completely erased...not a word mentioned.

I don't understand why the writers didn't just go with the new timeline idea, which they had promised fans when Star Trek Discovery began.

The relationship between Spock and Christine, and their background has been retconned. Since 2017 Memory Alpha has been changed to reflect NuTrek. As you might have noticed, their latest background image has the protagonists of the new series on the foreground.

William Shatner as Captain Kirk is lucky to still be on it. He has already been erased from Star Trek Day.

I hope someone has keep an original version of all this stuff somewhere, someplace safe.

@Knixon said:

I hope someone has keep an original version of all this stuff somewhere, someplace safe.

I only have some personal notes and my dwindling memory.

Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek history is slowly becoming that of J. J. Abrams and Alex Kurtzman, and any one who takes over from them. Memory Alpha and the other Star Trek sites have been corrupted. I sometimes doubt myself when I visit those sites and ask, 'Mandela effect?'.

"Resistance is futile", and we will all be assimilated, but not by the Borg, who in NuTrek are now allies, and have applied for membership of the Federation.

By wonder 2wonder

T'Pring loved Spock very much and she accepted the fact that he was half-human. Many were against this mixed marriage, but she decided to ask him to marry her anyway, and accept the consequences of being scorned and shunned by her friends and other Vulcans. Spock also was in love with her, and promised that they would be together forever. When he left on the USS Enterprise, he told her not to worry, because distance makes the heart grow fonder.

They kept in touch and communicated daily. Their love was like a Vulcan fairy tale, until Spock met Christine, and his feelings changed. He was fascinated by her. Did she remind him of his mother? So close, yet so far. Finally he couldn't resist the temptation of satisfying his carnal lust with a human female. When T'Pring discovered his affair, she was deeply hurt, and she broke up with him. It was hard for her, after she had sacrificed so much for him. Everyone had warned her beforehand that she should have chosen someone from her own, and not a mixed one. She had ignored this, because she believed that it doesn't matter, as long as you love each other. Many years would pass as she lived in disgrace. No one wanted her, except for Stonn. T'Pring needed to divorce Spock and choose someone else, if she ever wanted to regain some respect and honour among her own people. The only possibility left was koon-ut-kal-if-fee.

.........

I presume this is a summary of the new version that has now become canon. I'm sure the SNW writers are patting their shoulders. This crap is not Star Trek and I find it offensive that new viewers when they watch it will think Star Trek is a soap opera set in space.

They have "raped" one of the most iconic episodes in the original series : Amok Time. They have removed any traces of it on Memory Alpha and other sites.

Also as you have pointed out this new version puts Spock as the unfaithful while in Amok Time it was T'Pring who had a relationship with Stonn, she didn't want Spock and was even willing to get him killed ( calling for koon-ut-kal-if-fee) so not to have to marry him.

It wasn't enough just to cash in on one of the most loved characters of the franchise ..nope, the writers decided to change his whole personality.

TOS Spock believed logic was the better way and he was adamant about keeping his emotions in check.

by knixon:

I hope someone has keep an original version of all this stuff somewhere, someplace safe.

I hope so too....but new viewers should be informed /warned about all the retcon stuff too. That emotional wreck on SNW is not the original Spock.

@sunshine62 said:

Also as you have pointed out this new version puts Spock as the unfaithful while in Amok Time it was T'Pring who had a relationship with Stonn, she didn't want Spock and was even willing to get him killed ( calling for koon-ut-kal-if-fee) so not to have to marry him.

It wasn't enough just to cash in on one of the most loved characters of the franchise ..nope, the writers decided to change his whole personality.

TOS Spock believed logic was the better way and he was adamant about keeping his emotions in check.

As there are continuous changes, there is still hope that the writers might make T'Pring or someone else the evil one in season 3.