big debate with most debating she did.
However, I'm not so sure. She was very convincing telling her story.
Here's something to consider either side you fall on.
Recall here phone call to Laurie when she asked if Laurie had told Kevin where she was. And we know Nora has been getting "therapy" from calls to Laurie. How often debatable but it seems regularly. Again once a year or more or less? Hard to surmise.
My question became this. If she's been calling Laurie wouldn't it seem like Laurie would have been told by Nora she went to departured side. And if so, Laurie's reaction or feelings of hearing this story. Or did Laurie help her create such a story or idea that her kids and others departed were truly the ones who lost the most. And worse off.
Anyone wonder this?
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Odpowiedź użytkownika deconoir
8 czerwca 2017 o godz. 7:24PM
My thoughts are she went to the other side. Watching a 2nd time convinced me of this. In the beginning, the newspaper confession, her first take they didn't believe her, she said she doesn't lie. The second take she was emotional.
Flash to the end, she got emotional almost towards the middle/end of the story signaling truth based upon the beginning. I think she was telling the truth. It was probably 20 years since she saw Kevin last.
Odpowiedź użytkownika friscokid
9 czerwca 2017 o godz. 12:48AM
I almost believe what you've proposed. However, this one thing is bothering me.
As you have said, AND most everyone else, Nora says she doesn't LIE. Which I thought so too.
I ask any & all this, She called herself SARA, said she didn't know a man named KEVIN. Said both these LIES to the Nun. Who she later called out as a liar for saying she hadn't had sex with ladder climbing motorcycle dude.
The scene was pretty interesting in terms of the Nun flat out LIED and even swore to GOD. And then she says to Nora, I saw you dancing with that man Kevin who you claimed to not have known. Leading to the scene with the goat, taking the sins of all that the (scape) goat had taken and now she was the 'goat'. A very moving and critical transformation of Nora wouldn't you agree???
SO...Nora does LIE ;)
And I wonder if she broke through her do not lie stance and created that story of going to other side as a lie to see how Kevin would react. Since he had been lying about how he found her.
There's just a little bit of wonderment on my part as to whether she truly did go to other side or did she make it up to finally feel better about being able to lie and not feel guilty about it??????
Not sure about you or others, but Kevin sure was convincing about how he found Nora. Many have said they wondered if Kevins story was this some other alternative world or what? So his story was pretty damn good and believable, why couldn't Nora's be just as believable? Both being lies ;)
Just a thought on all that.
Will never truly know answer, which is perfect and glad it ended as it did. LOVED ENDING
Odpowiedź użytkownika deconoir
9 czerwca 2017 o godz. 12:15PM
Great response!! Here are my other thoughts to support my own theory that she was telling the truth.
Like I referenced the newspaper scene convinced me she was. But a big difference is between a lie that is deliberate versus a reasonable lie… Like the scene where they were telling the difference between what is and what is not a sin.
She was lying that her name is Sarah and not knowing Kevin for a purpose. She was in hiding, she had a reason to lie, and she didn't feel it was a deliberate lie. There was no reason for her to make up a lie that she went to the other side. There was no purpose in doing so. She doesn't lie for the sake of lying, she lies if there's a reason behind it… In my opinion. The nun was perfectly placed to have people question the lying aspect.
I felt the goat scene was her accepting all of her sins of the past that she's done to Kevin and others.. accepting the fact that she can move on without guilt. I don't think it had anything to do with the other side. I felt the doves coming back and the goat leaving signified a new beginning and a clean slate.
I loved the series too!! It was an amazing season!
Odpowiedź użytkownika Kewl Kat
10 czerwca 2017 o godz. 8:50AM
Yeah, I believed her story. Remember, she was the bravest girl on Earth. She wouldn't have backed out at the last second.
Odpowiedź użytkownika Kewl Kat
11 czerwca 2017 o godz. 8:47AM
...also, she was a straight-shooter. I watched it again last night. I just don't see the benefit in her lying. What would be the point? The only explanation would be she had a mental breakdown and created a weird, elaborate lie, with all sorts of details, just to appease herself. But she seemed stronger than that. In my opinion, she simply told the truth.
Also, Kevin's heart condition most likely slowed down his heart , making it possible for him to survive in those crazy, extreme conditions a tad longer than the average person. Whatever dreams he had were influenced by a lack of oxygen causing vivid hallucinations that didn't unfold in real time. He never "died" and came back to life. He was in an oxygen-deprived state. You occasionally read about someone surviving in conditions that seem too harsh for longer than expected. That little wrinkle was included on purpose to give us evidence he wasn't some magical Jesus-type.
Odpowiedź użytkownika Crisstti
12 czerwca 2017 o godz. 12:40PM
It's really a bit mind bending, eh?. I gotta say I find it hard to believe she went, saw her children once, and didn't even talk to them.
We have to try to interpret this from the whole season. From the first episode there seemed to be a theme of "the better story", of what you want to believe. The people climibing to the roof of their houses. The tower man dying. People tell Nora to let people have their story. She won't. Laurie argues with Matt about the same. Reality/fantasy. She finally tells him they should do it his way, cause he has a "better story". Then the nun tells the same thing to Nora in the finale. All these surely has to mean something.
Kevin father goes up to the roof after he realizes that his whole story was insanity. Nora climbs to her roof (after her conversation with the nun?, before Kevin arrives again?). Is she convinced, and decides that she rather goes with the "better story" instead of the harsh reality?.
It also occurred to me that it refers to death, either metaphorically or not for Nora. The departed are dead. Nora sees that they are fine, and that she doesn't belong there. And she comes back to life (much like Kevin does). Or the departed are most likely dead. Episode 5 seemed to show every main character were going to kill themselves. Laurie. Kevin. Nora (by getting into the machine). Come the end though, they're all alive. Not sure we have the explanation for why Kevin is still alive lol, but Laurie surely changed her mind in the last moment and didn't go through with it, and the case could well be the same for Nora.
The theme of this season seems different from the previous seasons, and I think that got me somewhat confused.
Odpowiedź użytkownika Kewl Kat
12 czerwca 2017 o godz. 1:18PM
What you are saying isn't true. Everybody who went into the machine took a photo prior to leaving with a current newspaper. The people then disappeared and did not return. Their bodies were not simply encased in frozen fluid. What you saw was described as a "fossil"... really just an impression of the body. The actual body was gone. Gone-diddly-on. That's what fossils are, impressions or mineral deposits that take the place of the organic tissue.
Odpowiedź użytkownika Kewl Kat
12 czerwca 2017 o godz. 1:53PM
Her body didn't "become" a fossil. It left behind a fossil... it was merely an impression of her body, just like footprints of dinosaurs aren't their actual feet, it was where they stepped.
Odpowiedź użytkownika friscokid
12 czerwca 2017 o godz. 3:01PM
Great input...I'm still torn. Wow I loved this show. I was depressed last night and made comment, "MY LEFTOVERS" show isn't on tonight...LOL
Odpowiedź użytkownika Crisstti
12 czerwca 2017 o godz. 4:46PM
Didn’t she?, I think she went up her roof in some moment? I might be misremembering though.
I think it was strongly implied in that episode that that was what she was thinking. Why else show Nora’s remark, and then her going under diving in the end (and having some hesitation), why does she lie to Jill when they talk on the phone. Why does she allow Kevin to go through with his father and the crazy woman’s plan. Why does she give him the lighter (it had huge emotional significance to her). And doesn’t the episode start with they showing us how she went into the GM after an aborted suicide attempt?.
But what we saw was the PRINT of a body, in the frozen fluid. I’ve only seen the episode once, but I’m quite sure there was a body shaped hole where the body would have been.
But yep, it seems to me like the whole machine thing must have been a scam. It makes sense with the rest of the season, and even of the series as a whole.
Her brother had to know this, but he HAD told her, that he’d say whatever she asked him to say about it all.
In a way I like better the interpretation that she changed her mind in the last moment though, and that what she was telling Kevin was a version of that. Her family was dead, probably better off somewhere else (heaven?), but she doesn’t belong there, she shouldn’t die just to be with them.
Odpowiedź użytkownika Kewl Kat
12 czerwca 2017 o godz. 4:49PM
It's not that great. It's simply over-analyzed conjecture. You are free to believe she was scammed but you are inventing details in a very opinionated fashion. This is a fictional show that created an explanation. Now you are creating your own fiction to argue with that fiction. It's a little weird!
Odpowiedź użytkownika Crisstti
12 czerwca 2017 o godz. 4:58PM
Speculation but: the show could be interpreted as dealing with life (first two seasons?) and with death. Remember Kevin’s conversation with his pre-crazy father: “is THIS really it”? he was disappointed with his life, feeling unfulfilled. Same was the case with Nora. Both the first and second seasons’ finales seem to end with an affirmation of the prime importance of family and love (of those we love, in other words) in our lives. The third season, otoh, seems to be more about dealing with death. About Nora accepting that she needed to stay among the living and accept what had happened.
Not sure I’ve expressed this too clearly.
Opinions?
Odpowiedź użytkownika Crisstti
12 czerwca 2017 o godz. 5:01PM
Did it really create a clear explanation? I think accepting that explanation at face value kinda ignores what they showed throughout the whole season. Reality vs what people would rather believe.
Odpowiedź użytkownika Kewl Kat
12 czerwca 2017 o godz. 5:06PM
This show created a mystery and took us on a fun ride. We were never sure what was going on and then the final episode was aired. It wrapped up with an explanation. Some people don't want the ride to end so they are doubting the explanation. There is no 100% correct answer because this story is pretend! So feel free to form whatever opinion makes you happiest. It just doesn't matter.
Odpowiedź użytkownika Kewl Kat
12 czerwca 2017 o godz. 5:11PM
I never said it was "clear." Nobody knows exactly why the departure event occurred. However, if we are to believe the scientists and Nora, then we do know that the event was based in science, as it could be replicated. Just like in real life, we can explain how many things occur in nature but for the most part, we don't have a clue as to why they occur. The Universe is one big mystery.