@Invidia said:

I found that sacrificing the Confederados was wasteful and cruel. Delores is getting out of hand. There was no need to kill them like that. She could have pulled off her plan by letting them survive. Although she may have been worried that they would turn on her.

What about how CREUL they were to DOLORES last season???

Aren't they the same BASTARDS that GANG RAPED HER and RIPPED OPEN her shirt so they could SHOW WILLIAM how she only had a METAL SKELETON located in the MID SECTION of her BODY???

And didn't that other GUY she calls a DOG who sat there at the HEAD of the LAST SUPPER SCENE also say he was trying to figure out which one of them he would keep for himself and which one he would throw outside for his men???

Teddy might not know about the GANG RAPE situation, but he HEARD what the other DOG said to DOLORES.

And he also defended her and told the guy to WATCH his MOUTH.

But now he also LET's the GUY go after being told to SHOOT HIM???

And that probably also means he and his GANG of RAPISTS will try to RAPE someone else???

I don't remember her getting gang raped. But you also have to understand that these hosts are PROGRAMMED to act this crazy. This is why she says they are just CHILDREN because they do not know any better. It would have been smarter to keep them and find one of the coders to change them to be loyal to her. This is why Maeve is on a whole other level of cleverness than Delores. That is what she would have done.

Clem has become an undead host so to speak. She has no higher thought functions and just carries out instructions. Peter Abernathy never got his lobotomy though. Charlotte's allies put the information they were trying to smuggle out of the park into him - which is why Delos is so keen on retrieving that one specific host. Bernard found the file and eventually decrypted it. A one-use-only executable of some kind. Possibly related to how he "killed them all", as he says by the lake later on. Who knows? I imagine getting that file out of Abernathy's head will stabilize him mentally.

Dolores is going a little haywire now. Even Teddy and Maeve can see it. She could've had her human technician waterboys shut down the Confederados or give them new narratives but she's ordering them deliberately destroyed with shots to the head. She needs to get her rage under control.

@Invidia said:

So Angela being upset about a DEAD LOGAN instead of her father is also an interesting story. Because she also had sex with LOGAN to get him to FINANCE the park. So could LOGAN have fallen in love with ANGELA the way WILLIAM did with DOLORES???

No. Remember when they first get to the park the first host the encounter is in fact ANGELA. Billy shows some interest in her and Logan makes a comment like Where we are going she is like a 5 implying that she is mediocre in the looks department. I doubt someone with his hedonistic outlook on life fell in love with a host. He doesn't look like the type to fall in love with ANYTHING other than himself much less a "machine" . Are you forgetting he cut open Delores to convince Billy that he was loving a machine?

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Then TEDDY who is shooting everyone in the TOWN also shoots and kills ANGELA.

Before that he also tells ANGELA about another different scene where he remembers shooting everyone as the SAME MUSIC BOX plays the SAME SONG that BERN played before DOLORES shoots him in the back of the HEAD.

Only it's TEDDY shooting someone else in the back of he head.

So wherever DOLORES is now TEDDY's also BEEN THERE and DONE IT before.

And ANGELA has also been the RANCHER'S DAUGHTER before as well.

Anyhow ...

the REBELS hold DOLORES and make all kinds of RUDE GESTURES like they're going to RAPE HER and LOGAN also LICKS her with his TONGUE before he RIPS OPEN her SHIRT, STABS her with the KNIFE, and TEARS OPEN her FLESH with it which reveals how she has a METAL SKELETON.

And WILL's also tied up to a CHAIR and can't do anything about what they're doing.

But then he also PRETENDS as if he's come to his senses, LOGAN UNTIES him, and he KILLS all the REBELS (the same way as TEDDY kills everyone in town).

HECTOR also REMEMBERS and tells MAEVE how they'd been there before after MAEVE also tells him EVERYTHING that's about to happen and how his men and ARMISTICE were going to get into a fight over the SAFE (which is also EMPTY) and KILL each other after all the rest of the men are dead.

But MAEVE also kills SNAKE GIRL before she shoots HECTOR.

And then she kicks over the HURRICANE LAMP as they make love in the TENT.

They also explained how they used some kind of FIRE PROOF WAX and another FIRE PROOF device for that scene.

So apparently ANGELA use to be DOLORES, and TEDDY use to be like WYATT when he SHOOTS EVERYONE in town (which also PARALLELS the way BERN says he KILLED EVERYONE on the BEACH).

I'm not sure what your point is BUT that scene you are describing was ARNOLD'S plot to destroy the park. He programs DELORES and TEDDY to carry out those deeds including programming Delores to MURDER him. Suicide by host (heh heh ) . Their hands were forced in that scene as we previously saw a scene where Arnold explains what an ABOMINATION the idea of the park is now that Delores has solved THE MAZE (become conscious) and it would be INHUMANE to let them (the hosts) live like this. He explains the plot to Delores to which she exclaims "Oh NO! I could NEVER do anything like that!" to which Arnold replies, "Don't worry. I will help you out." meaning he will program her to be able to do it. He also mentions she should get Teddy to help her (as he would do anything for her) but it is also heavily implied that he programs Teddy to do it too because after the massacre Teddy exclaims, "Something is wrong Delores. There is no way I am capable of doing this."

@Invidia said:

So at some point ARNOLD also reached the same kind of CONCLUSION as the MIB who said he wants to BURN it all DOWN to the GROUND???

Well, yes but I believe their motives are different. Arnold's motive is more humanitarian while MiB is more selfish.

And we also saw the CHURCH STEEPLE buried in THE SAND. And we also hear ANGELA talking about the TOWN buried in the SAND???

I'm not sure if you have put 2 and 2 together but WYATT and DELORES are one and the SAME. The place where the host massacre happened was many moons ago when Arnold programmed Delores and Teddy to wipe out the hosts (including Angela) is, in fact, the town that in modern times is buried in sand. When TEDDY recalls his actions with WYATT and they are shooting up the soldiers, it is, in fact, a tweaked memory of he and DELORES shooting up the hosts in Arnold's plot.

Their hands were forced in that scene as we previously saw a scene where Arnold explains what an ABOMINATION the idea of the park is now that Delores has solved THE MAZE (become conscious) and it would be INHUMANE to let them (the hosts) live like this. He explains the plot to Delores to which she exclaims "Oh NO! I could NEVER do anything like that!" to which Arnold replies, "Don't worry. I will help you out." meaning he will program her to be able to do it. He also mentions she should get Teddy to help her (as he would do anything for her) but it is also heavily implied that he programs Teddy to do it too because after the massacre Teddy exclaims, "Something is wrong Delores. There is no way I am capable of doing this."

Ok. So DOLORES is also doing the SAME kind of a thing as what they've done now that she's in this FORD NARRATIVE???

Meh, sorta. Ford's narrative appears to end after he gets his brains blown out and they are now operating on full autonomy. Of course that may be the twist at the end that the whole thing is in fact a story but its too early to tell. Doesn't look like it is leaning that way though.

And FORD's also PROGRAMMED her to do it the same way as we previously saw him PROGRAME BERN/ARNOLD to KILL THRESA and ELSIE???

Possibly.

@Invidia said:

@chrisjdel said: Dolores is going a little haywire now. Even Teddy and Maeve can see it. She could've had her human technician waterboys shut down the Confederados or give them new narratives but she's ordering them deliberately destroyed with shots to the head. She needs to get her rage under control.

DOLORES was PERFECTLY CALM when she spoke to the 3 other people she HUNG UP on the 3 CROSSES. She was also CALM when she orders those at the LAST SUPPER TABLE to be killed. And she's also got the WYATT NARRATIVE programed into her which is why she's doing what she does now.

She also told the 3 people hanging on top of the 3 CROSSES this and how THE RANCHERS DAUGHTER who sees the BEAUTY in everything would do one thing, but the WYATT in her does another.

The WYATT NARRATIVE part of her CODE is also like the ID part of one's personality. It's what enables them to SURVIVE. It also involves " the FIGHT or FLIGHT syndrome" and she's also chosen to FIGHT back against the GUESTS to the PARK and give those who have ABUSED her a dose of their own medicine.

That's called cold rage, when you're dead calm as you dispense death to your hated enemy. Plenty of revenge movies feature a protagonist finally catching the guy who tortured them, killed their family, or whatever, and very calmly describing to them exactly what crimes they're about to die for, and what's going to happen to them, big smile on their faces while the "victim" begs for their life. Just because you're not ranting and raving doesn't mean you're not running on pure distilled hatred.

What Dolores actually told them (more or less) was that the rancher's daughter saw one thing, Wyatt saw another, but these were just characters people like them had imposed on her. There was a third voice that had been growing and evolving inside her the whole time: her own. And now they were living in her dream. So she left them in her trap. It's possible some of them escaped. A bunch of rich corporate twits having the survival skills to do that seems unlikely but she could've just hanged them then and there, and been done with it. I wonder why she didn't? Why give them any chance at all?

"What about how CRUEL they were to DOLORES last season??? Aren't they the same BASTARDS that GANG RAPED HER and RIPPED OPEN her shirt so they could SHOW WILLIAM how she only had a METAL SKELETON located in the MID SECTION of her BODY???"

Who is "they"?

It was the Man In Black who raped her, and Logan who cut open her stomach. Neither of them were in the group that Dolores was bullying.

HOW DARE YOU! BOOBS ARE NEVER BORING!

@Invidia said:

You didn't say whether or not you'd still find the BIG BOOBS of IVANKA TRUMP still interesting or not by the time she hits 50 and they'll be hanging down around her knees.

They already make her look FAT.

Bet she's also already wearing an E CUP (E for ELEPHANT SIZED).

And looking at her mother who's almost 70 now, one can also see the reason why she's NOT going to age very well in other areas of her body either (crinkly and wrinkly looking skin).

Anyhow, my guess is you'll also find Ivanka's BOOBS worse than BORING, and down right REPLUSIVE to look at by then.

And you also never ADDRESSED or answered these questions either :

what's your opinion of this CRADLE??? Why do we hear DOLORES saying the word FIDELITY to BERN/ARNOLD the same way as we heard WILLIAM/MIB saying it to JAMES DELOS??? Why would DOLORES be the one chosen to interview ARNOLD after he's become the ROBOT named BERN???

Have you even watched the show???

Stop trying to change the subject! We're talkin' bout BOOBS now!

I despise the Trumps, but we should focus criticisms on their morals, not their appearance.