Hi, What we know is the following: Original series aired by Antena 3 in Spain was 15 episodes in Season 1 (each around 70 minutes) It doesn't matter that last 6 episodes (e10-e15) were aired after 4 months since e09 was aired. Still it is Season 1 and it is correctly presented on https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/71446-la-casa-de-papel/seasons What Netflix did? Netflix took those 15 episodes, cut them and created 22 episodes (each around 45 minutes) and split into 2 seasons naming them Seasons: Season 1 - 13 Episodes Season 2 - 9 Episodes
Why we see in "Netflix (Digital)" Episodes Group the following structure: Part 1 9 Episodes Part 2 6 Episodes Part 3 1 Episode ? It doesn't represent what Netflix aired.
What need to be done in order to see what Netflix aired (Season 1 - 13 Episodes, Season 2 - 9 Episodes) ?
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Reply by janar
on June 23, 2019 at 8:44 AM
@Kolumbus1234 wrote:
Hello!
Yes, all that's true.
Why? Just read the explanation directly above the episode group here:
https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/71446-la-casa-de-papel/episode_groups
It says: "The rough order in which Netflix distributes the show for international viewers. Note: Netflix decided to edit the original 15 episodes of season 1 into 22 smaller episodes and split them into 2 parts. Because we do not support multiple versions of the same episodes, it's impossible to display the correct order for Netflix here on TMDb."
Yes, we know - as you can read in the text. This is just a compromise. We know it's not exactly the order of Netflix, and you can read the explanation why.
It's impossible for TMDb to display the Netflix order. I wrote about this in older reports and discussions many times. Let me see, take a look at these 2 here:
https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/71446-la-casa-de-papel/discuss/5afd7879c3a36841c5003d4b#5afda6bdc3a36841a10037ca
https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/71446-la-casa-de-papel/discuss/5ac8443b92514162a2036043#5ac9db31c3a36834d005336c
I hope that clarifies everything!
Reply by Kolumbus1234
on June 23, 2019 at 9:30 AM
Thank you janar for your reply. I have read discussion under the first link (https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/71446-la-casa-de-papel/discuss/5afd7879c3a36841c5003d4b#5afda6bdc3a36841a10037ca) It looks like the arguments presented by the users who rely on the DB using software that is organizing their libraries will simply never be fulfilled - Remon Kamal's: "C) Any Media Library Software that depends on TheMovieDB API will totally mess up the library because of this" I can read in this thread also another proposal: to create a second entry that will reflect Netflix's order. Also rejected. Are you aware that "Netflix (Digital)" Episodes Group (https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/71446-la-casa-de-papel/episode_group/5ae0275b0e0a26156c00de9f) is misleading, useless and therefore doesn't giving a compromise at all? What is the reason of rejecting "Money Heist (Netflix cut)" with Season 1 (e01...e13) and Season 2 (e01...e09) Episodes Group? I know you are claiming this is because you must stick to the original airing but does it break anything if such additional Episodes Group will be created? It will satisfy hundreds of thousands people and will shows that you are running a service that is mature and capable to adopt to even rare cases. Please consider one of those options (real and very expected compromises):
Reply by janar
on June 23, 2019 at 9:55 AM
@Kolumbus1234 wrote:
No problem!
That is correct. We have no technical solution for this problem regarding this show. And according to the admin, Travis, there never will be a technical solution for this, because it's too complicated to program.
Yes, because it would be a duplicate. It would duplicate all cast and crew members, all posters, all images, all videos -> pretty much everything.
Yes, I am aware of that. Therefore, I added the short note as an explanation that this is not the proper order of how Netflix aired the show. The alternative would be to delete the episode group. I remember that I asked my co-moderators about this - and they preferred to keep this episode group with the note attached.
See above -> this would be a duplicate of all data.
That's impossible because we don't have the structure of how Netflix split the episodes. See -> when you create an episode group, you can only put all existing episodes from the original airing into the group. The problem for this show is: the original airing on Antena3 had 15 episodes - Netflix aired 22 episodes. So, it's impossible to display 22 episodes when you only have 15 to choose from. Do you understand what I mean?
Unfortunately, there are problems in this world that can't be solved for everyone in the best way possible. There is no technical solution for this rare case of a show when we stick to our rule of first airing. I wish there would be a solution - but there isn't. And you won't find any database online that reflects both versions of this show without any compromise - so we had to make a decision. And this is our decision.
Reply by Kolumbus1234
on June 23, 2019 at 10:11 AM
Yes, I understand what do you mean but... isn't a "fake" problem that can be easily overcome? Of course it's impossible to copy-paste descriptions from 15 original episodes into 22 Netflix's episodes but what about to write from scratch new description for each "new" Netflix's episode? Is it allowed or does it break any other principle/rule? Would it be a solution and a "green" light to create a new Episodes Group "Money Heist (Netflix cut)" with Season 1 (e01...e13) and Season 2 (e01...e09) ? Sorry for digging into that particular series but believe me, community is waiting for the solution especially that there is upcoming Season 3 :-)
Reply by janar
on June 23, 2019 at 11:36 AM
@Kolumbus1234 wrote:
Unfortunately, it's not a "fake" problem.
This is not about the descriptions! It's about the different structure of the episodes - 15 vs. 22!
As I wrote, that's technically not possible! Okay, I'll try to explain this to you in a different way. Let's start with this. There are 15 episodes in total from the original airing. You can find these 15 episodes here:
https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/71446-la-casa-de-papel/season/1
These 15 episodes are the basis of all episode groups that any user can create. When you want to create an episode group, you can only choose from these 15 episodes! I just created a temporary test episode group for you with 2 seasons to illustrate the problem:
https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/71446-la-casa-de-papel/edit/episode_group/5d0f96a59251414d04bcd481
Do you see those 2 seasons? Now -> click either on the link "season 1" or "season 2" and you'll end up here:
https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/71446-la-casa-de-papel/edit/episode_group/5d0f96a59251414d04bcd481/group/5d0f96ccc3a36842d71f144c
https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/71446-la-casa-de-papel/edit/episode_group/5d0f96a59251414d04bcd481/group/5d0f96d3c3a368063a249d9e
And here's the huge problem -> you can only choose from 15 episodes to put them into the seasons! You can't choose from 22 - because they don't exist. The Netflix structure is completely different - and it's technically impossible to program both structures at the same time.
Do you understand the problem now?!?
Again -> there is no solution to this problem! That's the best we can do, unfortunately.
Reply by Kolumbus1234
on June 23, 2019 at 1:28 PM
Ok, now its clear. It's not a matter of technical obstacles but ability to invent and introduce a workaround/new ways that address such cases. Once there is "we can do that" attitude there are no technical obstacles. Don't tell me there is no solution at all. Yes, it's impossible to address that particular case using your framework which looks like you are closed in the box full of rules that were formulated taking into account a "perfect world" but it's obvious that in the real world, we need to adopt and find solutions for new, unpredictable at the beginning, situations. I hope you will open your mind (nothing personal, just pointing to the TheMovieDB staff) and tells yourself "come on guys, we need to find something that will solve this issue" Good luck :-) Thanks for your time you spent on explaining to me what is the problem here.